AGI = Anti-Vengance

Tibs

The higher your Agility the better a tank will avoid enemy melee physical attacks.

This can be a large portion of passive tank potential.

The issue is that the Vengeance mechanic depends upon taking damage.

The statistic agility hinders the main mechanic of the Fighter.

The same thing is true of Blocking, Dodging, and Parrying damage.

I honestly feel that fundamentally the Fighter is mechanically working against itself.

The reset on Rend doesn't really make a difference due to the lack of consistent Vengeance triggers.

There is a trickle effect of the Vengeance mechanic that hinders building the Fighter class overall.

The class is fun and has a good concept but needs to be fundamentally improved because Vengeance just isn't reaching its potential.

Bonkee

I am pretty sure vengeance can trigger on dodge, parry, etc.

Tibs

Bonkee You have to be hit. It doesn't when I tested it last time.

NarcolepticLTD

how about they either up the chances of vengeance triggering on a hit, or allow it to also trigger on misses/parry/dodge/blocks - test that for a bit and then adjust the algorithm to taste?

I think it really comes down to how much of the resource they want to see on hand in a normal tanking situation while not allowing a surplus being available for extended periods.

Cheezo

Get rid of vengeance. Simple fix. Devs once said they didn't want resource generator/spender abilities so I don't know why fighter is the way it is.

baldcaveman

Vengeance does trigger from block , parry , miss and dodge

Jeembo

While Agility isn't anti-Vengeance, stunning and slowing mobs is. Very interesting decision to make a tank have anti-synergy with classes that stun or slow.

thedrizzle

I get the devs wanted to avoid builder/spender gameplay but they should really just add an ability that generates vengeance consistently…… allows for dps fighter if multiple tanks in a group and would help allow for consistent use of veng abilities.

Does not seem like rocket science 🤷‍♂️

cwall

Tibs nah you don't

Raven

Yeah, I think removing vengance probably the easiest and best solution.

Tibs

baldcaveman You might say this but I didn't see it happening.
It is very very low chance or buggy.
Just saying it doesn't mean it works correctly.

Tibs

cwall It literally says it on Offense stance a defensive stance.
A chance when hit.
A lot bad game testers and false statements.

cwall

Tibs nope, misses trigger vengeance regardless of what the stance tooltips say

baldcaveman

Tibs Unless the newest patch broke it, you should have a chance to gain vengeance whenever a mob attempts to hit you, not when it actually hits you.

thedrizzle

Tibs
Devs have confirmed > all attacks on the fighter can trigger veng regardless of if it hits or not.

Xyshina

Very little people like the vengeance mechanic because its current implementation is extremely flawed and not fun. But Xilith has dug his heels in for now that this is the direction. They’ve been swamped with other class deep dives so it is what it is until they can get all the groundwork done for the remaining classes, then hopefully fighter gets another look at / pass.

Watching your vengeance procs is not fun or engaging. If it affected more abilities to allow you to lean into offense or defense based on the ability and it gained more reliably, then it would be fun. There’s a lot of good suggestions for fixes out there.

Craff

+1 to get rid of vengeance for fighters. Make a new class such as zerk or warrior and give them vengeance system
. I cannot taunt anymore as I use too and yet and I already had few taunts..... or generate hate from dps..... I feel like this was quickly implemented, it's not fun or a challenge to me, it's just bothering and it feels more like an action mmo type of thing. What would be cool for fighter is the flag system from Pantheon or keep it just with stances. .....I am going pally at launch, which I never played. the fighter is too EA/uncertain for me, I just want old school basic skilled tanking.