Proof Leveling is still far too fast.

Nideak

Gold Who is acting entitled?

ZenProtocol

Gold I hope not. The devs have stuck to their guns so far. But I agree with you that it should not change from the whinners.

Octorber

Please, please, PLEASE, for the love of this game do not listen to the MANIACS with no life that grind xp every hours they're not sleeping. Do not make leveling slower...Most people are not the top 1%. Complaining about this is pure insanity.

Nideak

Octorber The "maniacs" with no life are not the ones whining or complaining, there is nothing to listen to from them, they are just "playing the game." I cannot fathom why people keep calling the high level players whiners, entitled or anything else, when they aren't talking about it at all.

Zyk

Started yesterday.... played ...... 11 hours? Level 3.
It feels slow enough to matter but fast enough to keep me entertained at the moment. I go back to work in the morning and the entire work week I will get about another 3-4 hours in~? Then back to the weekend.
Slowing a game down for the sake of slowing a game down in my opinion is a terrible idea, especially considering the flow feels so good right now in my opinion. Fact is, watching a bar not ding for 3000 rats just isn't fun. I need a consistent "upgrade" to my experience to keep me entertained, that being levels, armor, upgrades, crafting... or the like, as soon as that stops happening and I'm nodding off at my keyboard swinging at my 1220th rat, I'm out.
There are many ways to slow down the leveling experience, but this is not it. Find another way.

Honest

Brettanomyces the bigger problem is finding the will to get to lvl 60. I see no incentive. In wow there were decent raids and I still never cared about being max level in that game. Theres not enough to do 1-59, not enough camps, no bgs or arena. That will kill the game way faster.

Honest

Gold Was also sold to me as being a social MMO that required a group, instead im trying to complete a quest all week and every time a group is camped there ALL DAY and wont invite me. Very social game.

DesertHam

Lol These are people that played beta had organized groups knew the content and planned to no life MnM out of the gate.
Comparing that to the regular players leveling experience that isn't unemployed or working from home your argument is basically a non-sequitur.

Silari

Haf I mean, maybe? I work 40 hour weeks. So I base things around that because its easy to compare. I have a family and other hobbies. I refuse to turn any game into a 40 hour job. But just because other people can doesn't mean the game should be designed around that. I would say the burn out sickness will strike most people before they get to max level.

Yeah, the economy will be run by the most aggressive players in game. Sucks but, it's a video game. If it means that much to you then yeah, you're going to have to compete with other who also love the game. But if you punish the rest of the players, then all that will be left are those who love the game so much, they don't need an economy to grind anything out. At that point it might as well be a single player Skyrim. So what is the weekly average hours and week average level growth? Because I can guess it's not where people think it might be.

Silari

Fell Hang on, that is a loaded question. That is expecting the game to slow the progress down for you.

I know a guy who spent two years on a painting, he skipped multiple life events to finish a painting. It meant that much to him. He spent two years adding details because, "I just didn't like the feel of the color in this area. So I added a rock to dull it out." He skip his daughters high school graduation for it. He put it up for sale and is still to this day, the lowest valued painting he ever sold.

So let me ask you a similar question in response. Can't you also slow your own progress down and build your character over three months? Why does the game have to do it for you? You sound like a drug addict who needs someone else to control their habits.

Cornmuffin

In regard to players saying they feel like they are missing content, especially 1-20 - in Eq you’d miss huge swaths of content in that range too.

Did evil go to fadwer or odus ? Did barbarians? Did gnomes go to qeynos? Nope. (Just to name a few)

Someone will argue they saw one, but you know what I’m trying to convey. It was beyond rare in true classic.

Jargdiv

Zaroua I think times have changed, people just got better at MMOs, min maxing, bis setups, the people that hit 39 that fast probably scouted all beta and timed each camp to find the exact ones that if you had a good puller, optimal group makeup, you could grind really fast. If you choose a bad camp and had like 2 healers 2 tanks 2 random dps your xp rates will be abysmal but if you find those camps where you can kill 2 mobs at a time for 6 hours non-stop and the perfect meta group you will level extremely fast. That is just how a lot of people play MMO games now for better or worse, they find out a certain meta and go with it.

Kriven

I don't get this at all and I wonder if the people complaining about leveling too fast are even a decent level yet or are they just doing /who and being mad others are high level compared to them?

As for content. You do not need to see all content on one char. We have multiple options for a reason to spread people out leveling. Not because you need to spend 1 day in night habor and the next in elf land. You can if you want but You not meant to hit every camp on one character

GoblinDruid

Most of the groups I get are incredibly unskilled.

If I don't play Enchanter? Enchanter fails to CC, group wipes and/or Enchanter rage quits very quickly.

If I don't play puller? People stand around doing nothing, other groups are killing all the mobs around us that our group would normally get.

If I don't play healer? Tank dies 99% of the time.

If I play healer? I cast heal one time, and get aggro from 3 un-cc'd adds and die.

Having to twist people's arms to try and get them to move to real / viable camps. Like we went to Tel Ekir earlier, and I was dumbfounded that as soon we zoned in my group dropped a camp fire at the zone line. Not anywhere near mobs or a camp. Spent 3 hours begging them to move to a real camp, offering to show them the way, to no avail. We sure got trained a bunch though by sitting at the zone line and trying to pull mobs from 50 miles away.

Still love the game and having fun. But I think y'all aren't playing with the type of groups I'm playing with if you think the experience is too fast. And that's if you can even find a group. Feels like solo'ing is legit faster than a lot of these groups where it feels like people genuinely have no clue what they are doing.

I always casually ask people if they played EverQuest before to try and make sense of no one using assist and my CC getting broken every 2 seconds when I'm on Enchanter. I could understand this from non-EQ players, but dawg, what are yall doing where it's normal for everyone in the group to be attacking a random mob? Even non melees be over here randomly using auto attack to break CC. Like what the heck are you doing, dawg?

Having a blast either way - wouldn't change it for the world - but nah this ain't fast. I've had some good groups, usually a group of friends who exclusively play together who just randomly invited me to their group, but for the most part it's pretty brutal. The other night in BTB I finally just typed /camp without saying anything after dying 5 times in 20 minutes because my group wouldn't listen to me. For context I had 0 deaths on most of the characters I leveled to 20+ on play tests and beta. EA definitely brought the casuals out.

Edit: I'm not going to name drop, but I also ran into a Shaman who really thought Shamans were Enhancement Shamans from World of Warcraft. I was on my Druid and he was like "thank god we have a healer, Shamans are terrible healers!"

I was honestly taken aback by this statement, especially since he had several levels on me. After about 30 minutes of playing with him I understood why he was bad at healing. He was completely OOM the entire time because he was standing and melee'ing. I don't know what spells he was casting, but it definitely wasn't heals. I really think he never got the memo that Shamans in EQ have nothing in common with Shamans from WoW.

Fell

Kriven I don't get this at all and I wonder if the people complaining about leveling too fast are even a decent level yet or are they just doing /who and being mad others are high level compared to them?

Nonsense. Slowing the pace of leveling affects all levels equally. The only difference being that, instead of the majority of the people being 15-20 while a few are 40 in one week's time, the exact same situation will occur in two weeks. This actually helps those leveling faster, as it means they'll be 60 for a longer period before the slower levelers catch up.

You not meant [sic] to hit every camp on one character

I'm curious where in the dev notes you found that messages? In any case, leveling is so fast at present that most people will see less than 10% of camps before maxing.

Fell

GoblinDruid I could understand this [mez breaking] from non-EQ players, but dawg, what are yall doing where it's normal for everyone in the group to be attacking a random mob?

The game is at fault more than the players. In EQ, a mez break often meant enchanter death, if not a full group wipe. Here? I've run into situations where the group is DPSing down 3 or even 4 mobs at once (the pet caster on one, his pet on another) and the group just heals straight through it. No problem. Non-tanks don't take enough dmg from mobs, and taunt is incredibly, massively overpowered.

Fell

Silari Can't you also slow your own progress down and build your character over three months? Why does the game have to do it for you? You sound like a drug addict

I can't tell if this was a joke or just blind obliviousness. Virtual characters are valued by the time and difficulty required to create them. If you scale Mt. Everest you can feel proud because it was hard. You could instead climb a 100 foot hill, but intentionally slow your progress by greasing your shoes and taking two steps back for every three forward, but I doubt you'll feel the same sense of pride at the top.

Jephry

People are always going to want to race to max level - and then complain there isn't anything to do in an EA game, of course. For 95% of us, the experience is fine or even feels slow. Please, for the love of all things MMO, do not lower experience gains.

Nideak

Jephry who is ACTUALLY complaining right now, though? Some people need to discover the magic of mirrors

Brefchk

People playing 8+ hrs a day telling others they should be punished because they can't put the game down or refuse to do anything but sit at the camp their guild has camped for the past 16hrs.

Massive self report if anything, absolutely pathetic behaviour to first gain a massive advantage in levels then demand the devs pull the ladder up behind YOU because YOU cannot stop yourself from optimizing the fun out of the game.

Close the game, empty the piss drawer and throw that poopsock away.

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