Shadowknight Feedback from a level 30+ main.

Wall

Briggs
There's nothing wrong with Terror. It's not like a traditional fear; the affected mobs are stationary during it.
I'm in my 40s now and the fear is breaking on damage, but early on it may as well have been an AOE stun. Now I mostly use it when unexpected adds show up to give the group more time to land CC.

Briggs

Wall Really? thats nice to know actually. Good info. I avoided using it because traditional fears seemed like a terrible idea.

Mesh

Xilith

I have been considering that maybe it could be a fast casting but temporary pet lasting a few minutes

This is the direction I'd like to see the class go.

Change Siphoning Slash so that, instead of siphoning a reagent, it summons a pet directly. Then add additional sacrifice options.

Make summoning and sacrificing souls for various effects a core gameplay loop.

Also, please consider getting rid of the execute-ish requirement on Siphoning Slash and make it spawn a pet whenever it's used. The 10% requirement is too finicky in groups and will only feel worse if the pet becomes short duration with more regular sacrificing.

Nakor

Palp line just got fixed so you can take it off your bar now. Solo ability of Sk basically zero now. I mean it was clearly broken but to return it to a dot that is a very low fraction of what a necro at same level can do while the necro pet tanks better taunts better and hits harder than a SK is pretty rough.

The real issue is how badly our lifetap and siphon strike are in dps and healing. SK is not in great shape but they’ll keep balancing. I’m optimistic.

Nakor

Brefchk the math of this class as dos or tank is deeply flawed I agree but the suite of skills don’t need a tremendous amount of tweaking to make feasible. For example palp was 💯 broken it should never have ramped up to the values it did. But being able to extend it with shadow strike or a recast at its max damage should absolutely be a thing. Palp
Should be considered a shadow spell line! The whole point of shadow strike is to extend shadow spells so lets us hit them with palp and snare and maintain that dps. But yeh siphon slash worthless. Reave worthless. A shame.

Getinmybelly

Brefchk Yea Grip gets resisted or doesnt work way too often.

Briggs

I would like see taunt and Kick removed from the ability bar to free up slots for spells. I'm not sure if thats something they would consider or not.

Elks

Why are abilities on the spell bar to begin with? There would be so much quality of life and expression added to the game and classes in general if spells were spells, and abilities were abilities or skills placed on a traditional hotkey bar. It’s a no brainer. Is that functioning as intended? New to the game. Love the friction and difficulty, but why have options if you can’t use or express them - circumstantial. Boo

Ugeroth

Good discussion all around, I just wanted to add my 2 cents - would prefer not having a pet, but if it is to stay, please don't make it a short duration summon that eats another space on the bar. I think just buffing or expanding the options for a more permanent sac effect would be cooler and more thematic (using the soul essence to power yourself).

Maybe even something like sac pet, get a longer duration %dmg or %mitigation buff that consumes a soul essence every so often or costs X soul essence to use to keep it going? Idk just spit balling. Either way, appreciate all the hard work Xilith and team.

ygb350

can we just be a better drain tank? get rid of the pet. siphon slash for 5-10hp every 20 seconds with 500+hp at lvl 15 or even more hp higher level up is laughable.

Brefchk

Yeah idk why anyone would think a summoned pet that lasts only a small amount of time is an improvement. Either the pet stays or the pet gets removed.

If it has to stay, I'd personally prefer if the pet were a ranged spellcaster shadow that debilitates enemies, maybe by giving it the spirit break line, and deals damage exclusively at short range instead of having a taunt. I'm not even sure why it has a taunt, it dies in 3-4 hits from any mob so it's clearly not intended to be used as an off-tank.

It would be more interesting than what we have now, which basically just a dot with an hp bar.

grizzledwizard

Level 16 here. Actually quite enjoying it, but agree with a lot of the feedback here. Aura's need tweaking to accommodate for different playstyles rather than one being reserved for emergency-mode, which also requires reserving a spell bar slot for Grip of Agony which most SK's don't even keep active.

I'm not really married to the pet and would be fine without one, or with a more short-term in-combat version which sounds cool and more unique. But I think the best solution is to giving the option to run different playstyles, with and without the pet. An attempt was made here but sounds like it's not viable.

I think it being used as a generic DoT or just summoned for an emergency barrier indicates the current implementation is sort of uninspired. Which just contributes to the feeling that we have to choose between an actually useful spell set, or basically gimp ourselves in exchange for more "oh shit" utility that is rarely going to be used.

ygb350

I had the chance to use agony while under 25% hp , it healed me for like about what a heal from a paladin had done. for an 'oh shit' moment type ability that is synergizing with the aura , its very weak return especially on a 30m cooldown. not worth to use agony

Syithumis

ygb350

If a spell cooldown is greater than 5mins the spell might as well not exist.

“Exception being like a group wide res.

Velthorian

Briggs Yikes big man, your a little hard to take seriously when you don't even know this spell is AOE mez more then aoe fear. been that way since alpha. What else do you not know? Main reason to keep a pet is for fear kiting, solo performance, if they have managed to wreck that in the re-work that's on them, not the pet. I see a lot of complaints from people who don't know how to manage a pet properly. All the tools are there. The rest of the problems appear to be the math not making sense, numbers not lining up, and Channeling being crap overall (for everybody, all classes, except NPCs, they can channel a 30 second portal to hell though 400 hits, everybody else? couple fire beetles are gonna ruin your day).

Velthorian

Syithumis There's a place for long cool down abilities, they can be good, it's off the spell gem bar and onto a dedicated hotbar for "innates". Harm Touch, Lay on Hands, Elemental Resurgence.. there are other examples, im sure. The dev's are pretty hard headed about this one though, for some reason they think i'ts perfectly fine for an ability to consume a spell gem slot for that "once a week" use scenario. (like elementalist being 100% defenseless, to the point that light greens will murder them without Elemental Resurgence, gotta keep that monthly gem slot used up)

Velthorian

ygb350 yeah even in 1999 EQ original, Harm Touch hit for 701 damage at level 50 with a -200 resist check. was pretty potent. But mob HP was no where close to MNM, in mnm it would probably need to hit for 3k to be close to the same level. Or if we compared it to a wizards top nuke, Ice comet which hit for 1120.. it was ₆₀% as powerful as the biggest nuke in the game. That'd put the MNM equiv at about 1680, instant cast, -200 resist check. Still sounds a bit weak to me. Was alot more potent in Alpha, it did not get totally fucked until TTK rework (they left it unchanged, but 5x mob hp)

Velthorian

Im not necessarily for or against the pet, but it synergizes well with Fear for soloing, assuming it has not been gutted, which by above comments, it may have been. In EQ the pet was just "extra" not "core", it was great when you wanted to solo and needed the extra damage, and it was easy to ditch in a raid or group and still not feel "weak" or like you where "missing out" it should not be some heavy cost calculation "you have a pet so you must suck in this other way". It should just be a bonus. There where a lot of great things about EQ SK that are simply not in the cards here though. Mana regen (lich), utility (invis, cure disease, levitate, enduring breath, self ds) , instant cast DD's (spear of xyz) riposte, triple attack, mental corruption (proc based mana regen)... on and on and on. It's clear the dev's don't want the players to feel powerful, or have that class fantasy. Some games reward players hard work, and allow them to be powerful, some games always keep a carot dangling. Suffice to say, MNM is more stick than carot.

Velthorian

Ugeroth if they turned it into a temporary pet the obvious solution would be to make it proc based and part of an aura... no spell at all. "you have a chance to call on spirts of the dead" a proc swarm pet. Still has drawbacks, for one, you have to hit to make it work, but if they go this direction it's the obvious solution. Would be untargetable, basically a dot with a graphic.

Velthorian

Elks I kind of get not letting you put -everything- on a separate bar, but long cool downs should be an exception. These abilities are super hard to justify when space is that limited. They just end up not getting used. Unless they are super core to the class, like Elemental Resurgence. (literally do or die)

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