Ranger deep dive wish list.

Ghostggs

I want to update on my thoughts for a combat rotation:
2 melee attacks and 1 ranged attack.

One rotational melee attack which attacks with both weapons for strike damage with both weapons.
One which attacks with only main hand which applies an AC debuff (does not stack with other AC debuffs) - low damage
ranged shot which deals low damage but applies a longer duration bleed (=>30s) to encourage a bit of melee/ranged weaving.

I know we are masters of snare but I think we shouldn't get a ranged snare - leave that to pure ranged classes IMO.

Just some random thoughts to put out there. I'd also like to see crit, that seems very on brand for a ranger but maybe I'm crazy.

Presul

With the EA release around the corner, do we have any word yet on when they will give us the Ranger changes?

Procyonic

Presul Shawn recently said last two classes may come after the launch. If this is case I don’t know how will we be able to adjust stats and traits after creating the toon.

Brettanomyces

I hope we keep unity. I would still like to be the best outdoor puller and viable puller indoors

Arngrim

Gildas Best part about Hunters in LOTRO. Would love to see something similiar here.

Nameless

Ghostggs

Like you I would reward melee and ranged weaving but as an option:

Melee skill A
Shares cooldown with Ranged skill A
Small hit with buff/debuff
Melee skill B
Shares cooldown with Ranged skill B
Big hit
Ranged skill A
Shares cooldown with Melee skill A
Big hit
Ranged skill B
Shares cooldown with Melee skill B
Small hit with buff/debuff

Max DPS is a weave of both, but still viable if you decide to stick with melee OR ranged.

silenthour

My wishlist for Ranger Class changes:

Keep their flexibility. Dont add stances, keep the fluid gameplay switch between roles/damage range. The fluidity makes Ranger feel so great.
What they should excel at and being the reason people actually want to bring a Ranger should be by Campfire improvements. Ranger campfire skills could for example be: Much brighter campfires, group members cosnume less food/water, improve effectiveness of bandaging, Melee weapons can be set on fire at the Campfire only for lightsource on the weapon (less light than torch or lantern, but you dont need to spend ressources), increased cold resistance around the fire. Something like that, some flavourful improvements, that are pretty ressource cheap and benfit the whole group.
Dont makes us a blocking class and dont make us more tanky. We are fine as secondary tank to do the job, until a plate class is found, while being a decent dps. Similar to monks.
Instead of having to spam a really weak heal over and over, give us tools, to do decent out of combat healing. Maybe with some herbs (Aragorn can use herbs to cure light wounds), it should lessen the burden of classes that need to spend mana for healing and increase the flow of the group. Rangers bandage, use herbal mixes to heal and cure wounds of their team.
Movement bonus to the party, that stacks with other sources, not as fast as SoW or Bardspeed, but the benefit of being able to make people even faster, if you use both.
A stacking self only buff, that increase Bow damage on your melee hits and vice versa, instead of jumping in and out of range like pantheon did. Too many classes use a jump, charge or other gap closer already.
A snare that starts with a very high percentage(95%?), like shoot an arrow into enemies knees, while they slowly recover and become faster again. Low snare resist chance comapred to other classes.
A fast cast root
Rangers can enhance cloaks, reducing their fall speed, reducing the range at which enemies aggro, giving them +5 skill in dodge, incease snare/root resistance, something he can cast on others, lasting 35min where the cloak gets a temporary enchantment. Rangers cloak themselves in the wilds with their capes.
For Rangers, wood and food weigh less.
Their track ability evolves as they gain skill ups. Wider area, Eventually see con colors, better sorting, make them do more damage to the npc currently on track etc
Charm a beast on a long cooldown with low resist, similar to INQ but only for wild animals.
Traps, something creative here, but traps fit the ranger fantasy

These are some examples, not saying we should have all. 🙂

Nameless

Reading the new class definition, it really sounds like ranger will be a lower tier DPS but with a lot of support.
Especially this line:

Outside of combat, however, is where the Ranger's full value emerges.

I think they will transform ranger into the best support for out of combat recovery via buffs to the campfire:

Lower food/water consumption rate
Raised health recovery
Lower the duration of poisons/diseases
Higher experience bonus
Forage should also provide them with wood (if it does not already)

Then for combat devs hopefully make both melee and ranged viable by themselves (ranger then gains flexibility for those fights that penalize one or the other) but will likely make weaving between both be the optimal route.

I would love to see ranger be the king of the wilderness. In fact, to embrace that theme, it would be nice to make them be the only class that don't need to buy skills from a trainer. They just learn them as they level-up out there in the wild. Coming back to the civilization and pay some guy that does not even out there just seems weird. An alternate idea would be to put a ton of "trainers" spread out in the world...

Ghostggs

Is it too much to ask for all DPS to do about the same DPS and give them all meaningful unique utility? And by the same I mean with 15% of top/bottom

Nameless

Well, it's possible that the Devs envision a split of 15% between the best and the worst DPS. But currently, the design of the game suggest that utility is a role by itself. So... classes with a lot of utility would be "overpowered" if they were also doing the same damage. It is certainly possible to design every class with utility, but we already have classes with very little (if any) utility at the moment.

Mouser999

Do you all think we would get triple attack with the deep dive?

Mesh

Ghostggs
Just after the Druid deep dive I asked a similar question to the devs about where Druid DPS was supposed to fit in and I think it was Xilith who responded with something along the lines of, "Wizard is intended to be higher than Druid but the variance between all DPS classes shouldn't be much more than 10-15%."

Similar situation with utility. Some classes will provide more utility than others but each class should be able to provide something useful to their group outside of just DPS, healing or tanking.

Fell

Mesh "Wizard is intended to be higher than Druid but the variance between all DPS classes shouldn't be much more than 10-15%."

I'd like to see that quote, as in sustained dmg wizards outdmg druids by at least 20%, and archers/beastlords outdamage wizards by close to 100% I don't think that's a real problem, as the variance in utility in these classes is so large. If you're a wizard who can burst like mad, gate, port, evac, invis, resist buff, add a huge modifier to caster dmg, and (if you're good) CC better than a bad enchanter -- why would anyone give up all that to play an archer that does only 10% more long-term damage?

Nameless

They have yet to balance classes vs one-another since they were focused on reworking them all. It's good to know what the objective is, hopefully it is shared by the other devs and not just some outlier's take...

Ghostggs

Mouser999
I'm hoping for crit, that would be very on brand for a ranger IMO. Triple attack would be cool too though.

Brettanomyces

Ghostggs I would be shocked if we got crits. But I would very much welcome it

Mouser999

Brettanomyces which classes gets critical and triple attack?

Ghostggs

Mouser999 the only class with both is fighter. Monk gets triple. Wiz (spells), rogue (backstab) get crits.

Edit:sounds like archer gets crits too

Did I miss any?

NarcolepticLTD

Doorjamb13 Of course I would love to see a Deep elf Ranger

I have great news for you...

Brettanomyces

Ghostggs I think Archer gets crits at some point, I don't recall how exactly

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