Any chance Wizard will be fixed before EA?

Rivorn

Wizards have basically infinite mana right now, I really don't understand how this thread is full of people saying that they are mana starved. Use magic missile, reclaim on cooldown, use arcane invocation. You can literally spam magic missile constantly for like an hour without needing any large breaks.

Rivorn

Waffle_Goblin Magic missile actually costs less than what you get back from reclaiming so you literally already gain mana.

TheStranger

I'm fairly certain the plan has always been, put the skeleton of the classes in, via the reworks. Then sometime in EA, once all the reworks are in, do a DPS pass and tune the classes. Then later on do another pass on the classes at some point to add any utility, dps or support needed. Pretty sure that's always been the case, yet I still see no-end of people complaining about their classes DPS.

If your class did more DPS before the rework, it doesn't matter. Those were place holder. We have to learn to let go and move on with development. Litigating Wizard DPS from 6 months ago isn't particularly constructive when there are already plans in place to tune every classes numbers in the future.

Coldest

TheStranger okay but it is not just about numbers, specifically for wizard. There are huge design issues with the class that wouldn't necessarily be fixed by just tuning numbers.

Briggs

TheStranger Yep, Games that get bogged down in balance before the game even comes out and end up wasting time on class balance instead of stability/bugs/overall gameplay frameworks usually end up in a bad place. Let the NWC team get the game into EA, get the bones of the project finished, then they can start to put some meat on the bones and flesh things out more and fix some problems people are having.

I'm not saying your concerns are relevant, but its like complaining the house is to cold when they are still building the insulation. Yes it matters, but if its not game breaking it will be on the back-burner till they get time to work on it. Hopefully EA is successful so they can work on these things and get content out faster. Cash injections usually do that.

TheStranger

Briggs Agreed; I'd rather have a great skeleton here that people can see and be passionate about. The fact is, if people can see the skeleton, they can see the direction things are going, if they can see that, then they can get passionate about it. Nobody is gonna get passionate or stick around just because Wizard does 20% more damage than it did before they even played the game.

Coldest

Knightly

Briggs This is fundamentally poor advice for any complex project with multiple moving parts.

That argument only makes sense if the same people are responsible for stability, bug fixing, core systems, and class balance. They usually are not. The entire point of having specialised teams is that these areas can be developed in parallel. Engineers can work on stability while combat designers tune classes, QA tests changes, and the systems team develops the broader gameplay framework.

Balance is also not simply “meat on the bones” that can be added later. It directly affects progression, combat pacing, encounter design, player retention, and whether the core gameplay loop is actually enjoyable. If major balance problems are ignored until Early Access, other systems may be built around flawed assumptions, making them harder, time costly, and more expensive to correct later.

Ensi

I played a wizard to 20 and stopped under the old system (pre glyph) and the quad kiting was very strong.

I then played to level 32 under the glpyh system - no mana issues unless I went 'too hard' and could easily solo 2 to 3 (blue to white) mobs before a full meditate. Could even take down up to 2 yellows depending on resists.

But mana seemed fair. Using reclaim every time and the rebuilding stacks while weaving in the nukes seemed pretty fun and efficient.

But Wizard hit hard! A class with that much burst DPS should not be able to sustain without limits. Being in a group with brd/enc made it even better - and having the group cast speed buff was really nice.

And lets not forget how Wizards can spam purge faster than any class - erasing all those nasty druid buffs on mobs 🙂

IDK...wizard is a lot of fun atm.... I would not be against % based reclaim and spells that relate to mana regen if they are balanced.

Pajamajam

Wizard is fun.

Coldest

Wizard sucks, isn't fun and if you think it's fun you probably think huffing spraypaint is too

Pok

[unknown] tell me how hard you hit when yer fighting lvl 40 mobs. mob scaling outpaces your dps by a lot after 40.

Taron

For me it's the terrible 1-15 experience in terms of having anything distinctive - just root and nuke, like many other classes have that also get a bunch of other stuff.

Like, they used to get Invis at level 1. Now they get it at level 16 - later than the Tank class Inquisitor gets invis! What the heck?

Also just personally not a fan of the Volley->Reclaim thing, yet right during the deep dive discussion Jahaar said you could just stick to the ol' meditate-and-nuke style of play and still be just about as effective (you'd have more mana available for quick burn downs with the extra med time but less sustained DPS by sitting instead of volley-ing), but I'm hearing that's not really the case in practice?

The good news is, it would take very little effort to fix (my) issues with Wizard. No major coding changes, just:

Move mana regen self-buff back to level 1
Move Invis to <= 8 so it is before Inquisitors at minimum
Move mage light to 1 for some early class identity
Move either TK or an eletric nuke to a lower level so have some way to interrupt casters before level 20
Make the glyphs all available pretty much as soon as any spell that can be activated by that glyph is available. Even if most glyph combinations don't do anything yet, there's no reason to hold off on the glyphs themselves and it would help to get used to the system earlier (fortunately glyph casting is optional so this isn't the end of the world for me).
Balance stuff (namely making sure med-and-nuke is a viable alternative to volley-and-reclaim for those that want a more strategic style over mashing buttons constantly).

Do that and I'd go back to having Wizard as my main for EA. I never solo so I could care less about quad kiting etc, and big numbers don't excite me so I don't care about being the best damage - just good enough that groups want me to fill the DPS role, while having interesting/fun utility stuff like blink, teleports, invis, etc (but NO PET because I hate them, and not a buff bot or charm user like Enchanter). I just don't want to be stuck with nothing but root and nuke for the first month of play (I'm a slow goer), and assume the damage complaints will be ironed out in balance pass.

Cadveun

Any word on them fixing or tuning wizard at all?

Apostate

Cadveun A dev in discord told me that they were going to try to squeeze something in before EA. I am not holding my breath.

jobanab

Cadveun they're trying to get the 3 final deep dives in before EA so it doesnt seem all that likely, but who knows

Raybane

jobanab They might be doing some things in parallel.

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