Camp Priority

Waffle_Goblin

FYI all, it's the Gnomes. The Gnomes are the spies for Trent. They are always there, always watching, even in the Deep. They see you with their creepy, beady little eyes and they tell him in exchange for a handful of snacks.

Zurrie

GM_Trent You should not have an expectation to be able to see and do every bit of content. You compete for it just like everyone else and sometimes you do not win.

Perma sitting in line at a spawn and doing nothing in hopes of claiming it is not any kind of real gameplay or competition. It also caters to people who box accounts and no-life the game.

Phuture

Are people actually trying to argue that camping level 19 items results in so much money from RMT that it is a full time job? That is insane.

The GMs have been great, and I trust them to deal with RMT to the best of the ability. They have been on top of everything to a really impressive degree so far.

Let's not dress up petty complaints with virtuous cover stories for loot tantrums. Conflating RMT and the end of the game with you losing a camp to someone slightly higher level is ridiculous.

There is no grand evil at play there. It is ridiculous to malign the effort the GMs are putting in because you are not catered to every step of the way. Other players are also in the game (its a MMO), not everyone will agree on everything and that is fine.

I really have not seen much of an issue with this. I have even had disagreements over camps, and Trent personally has come there and ruled on them. That is crazy good GM work and customer service. Sometimes these disagreements have gone my way, and other times they haven't. I have learned from both experiences, and they made sense to me when explained.

Knightly

Phuture

Yes?

Trent has said he personally banned roughly 70 accounts, not including whatever other GMs or automated systems have caught. So its safe to assume we'll over 100 active accounts have been banned. That is during Early Access, when everything is temporary and will be wiped. So yes, clearly there is a market where RMT sellers see potential? I'm not sure what more you want.

If RMT is already this active in a disposable economy, it is only going to become more profitable once characters, items, and wealth are permanent.

Monsters & Memories also creates exactly the environment RMT thrives in: power comes directly from transferable gear, that gear comes from scarce contested camps, and those camps can theoretically be controlled indefinitely. Add modern botting tools and increasingly capable AI automation, fosters an ideal environment for botting.

There are already simulated MMORPG environments running thousands of LLM-driven bots that behave like real players, move through the world, interact with systems, and can even respond to direct chat in a convincingly human way.

The latest models are incredibly cheap to run as well and they will only scale and become more intelligent as time goes on.

Phuture

Knightly not what I asked. I said “full time job” not “participated in RMT”.

Trent said

GM_Trent When we catch it, we will remove the seller's account, all accounts that received RMT goods from that seller, and the accounts of the people who gave the RMT items to the seller.

I fully support this and think this is great. But this is a lot different than 70 goldsellers, or item sellers. It is far more likely to be a handful of sellers and dozens of buyers. If it were just one seller, that would mean only 69 buyers. That is a low market cap. How many of these were people who bought or sold beta codes?

Any market cap for that is bad.

Your argument makes no sense logically though. So RMT is a direct result of MnM design choices, which according to you means they need to change the game to be more like… all the other games that have even more RMT? If RMT exists in all of these games, then that means the existence of it has nothing to with the any specific choice related to the camps, items, or otherwise, but is instead a symptom of any and all games.

Which means all they can do is exactly what Trent has done, monitor it and enforce it. Changing the design of the camps or items won’t remove it at all.

Foojack

RMT exists because things and progress take time and effort to get.
Give everyone GM powers to spawn any item or boost themselves and RMT goes away.
Problem solved.

Waffle_Goblin

Phuture not what I asked. I said “full time job” not “participated in RMT”.

Not everyone lives in the US. The average salary where I am, from what a quick Google search turned up, is $340/mo. This is for the country as a whole across all professions. So can RMT from level 19 items be equivalent to a full-time job? Yes, and you can actually make MORE money doing it than "traditional" jobs in some cases. People spend stupid amounts of money for convenience, there are entire industries built around this, so being able to spend an hour's salary (for a US/EU worker) to obtain items that take 12+ hours to obtain (luck, time, etc) is worth it to some.

I genuinely think some people forget the outside world exists...

Zaroua

Knightly You would essentially be betting that your team can accomplish something the MMO industry has never convincingly demonstrated at scale: meaningfully contain RMT in a persistent online world while deliberately preserving the very freedoms that make RMT easiest to conduct.

Oh that's easy to do. Permaban the gold buyers and the loot buyers and announce the banned accounts each week. Doing it quietly doesn't work. The people who buy gold/gear need to be afraid. And have their memories refreshed periodically. Do it enough times and the cheaters get discouraged and either stop playing (which is good) or stop trying to cheat (which is good). Anything else encourages their cheater mentality. Let me put it another way: systemic punishment with public shaming along with vigilance and resolve is how stop those people.

Here's a fun anecdote. There was a WoW private server where one of the GMs decided to spend a few days just hunting down botters. He'd hop between starter zones and easily identify the cheaters, and instantly ban their accounts. Find > ban. No ban waves, no system. Just doing it manually. A week later the server was bot free because all the cheaters had given up. Until the people in charge of the server gave that GM the boot because they were taking a cut from the RMT profit.

ickireas1

Zaroua

your last paragraph came from this video im assuming at the 37 minute mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVJqcFCIzlw accurate enough but not entirely ... still shows what happens when a company abandons its core values and lets that snow ball roll down that mountain .

McOgre

The fastest way to deal with this is...

All rare items dropped from named mobs are No Drop/No Trade, and or Lore.
All magic items can only be disenchanted in a city so you cant just get a drop, disenchant, and camp for another.

You want things for an alt, earn them with the alt.

I am not advocating for these things, but they would solve a number of problems.

Sneers

Andretious So as a solo player, who has nothing to do with RMTs or any of that crap. There are 3 reasons I camp lower myself, and RMT is definitely not one of them.

I haven't seen the content because I solo, so now that I can I do.

The camp is open, so I have the right to

And for spell, material, tradeskill, or reagent money. Again I solo so I have to do pretty much everything myself. Now this last few weeks people grieving over higher levels and immediately goto " he is gold farming and looting for RMT reasons" I take offense to. I despise those people and stop categorizing it as such cause 9/10 its just someone like me wanting to see the content.

As for your post of a lv 40 just rushing in your camp and setting up shop there is more to this story not relayed. I have had numerous running with camp dispute and all of them fair some of which i had to leave cause of the decision. No GM will allow another player to just walk in to your camp and kill the named without something more. Care to enlighten us?

Hukor

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Difwi

I woke up at 7am today to try to get the widow vethra camp but it was already taken. I logged in every 30 minutes from 7 am to 9pm to check the camp. From what I saw it was camped the entirety of that time by one single guy. When I logged in at 930 to check again, the guy was gone but a dude from yesterday who had the camp all day was there.

So 3 full days of trying to get a camp and I havent even gotten to kill the named a single time. If only the people with absolutely no life can have access to nameds that drop gear then there has to be alternate ways for people to get good gear.

People have said "but when you finally get the camp and get the item itll feel great!" I'm sorry, but I've already wasted at least 16 hours of my time just TRYING to get a CHANCE to get loot from the named mob. I'm done. I'm never going to do it again.

"Just farm the money and buy the item" - That isn't exactly fun or exciting at all. In fact that is the exact opposite of what I want in an MMORPG. I dont want to play "market simulator" and "shopping simulator". I want to adventure, kill cool enemies, and find cool items. I want it to be challenging, and I do not agree that logging in every 10 minutes 16 hours a day to get a chance to fight a named mob is a challenge.

"Go to dungeons, there are more named mobs in them and you might be able to get a chance" Wyrmsbane and AC had level 30+ players camping the named mobs for hours too.

I honestly just think I'm done with the game. Think that the frustration its giving me isnt worth the small number of awesome moments it has. It sucks because I love the gameplay - when the stars align and I get a group AND there is a camp available.

Cyan

There is also a reputation issue in this game. You got higher levels sucking up all the mobs tagging them from several camps(Like the Necropolis Graveyard) and then I suppose out of their godness of their heart runs up to a group and tell them "kill these" to avoid getting a petition.

In my opinion this is disrupting gameplay too and needs to be frown upon.

By the time your petition has been handled an hour later they moved on and someone else shows up a bit later.

As this game progress we will see more and more signs of why the openworld govern yourselves style MMOs have largely died out. It takes just one jerk or a botter to ruin the entire experience for several other groups.

Honest

Tpoon this game is designed for like 50 people playing it, not 1000s, total dogshit camp and world design. dungeons should be 4-5x as big

Turbosilk

There are fixes to this from other games. Mobs X levels lower than you don't drop loot. So you have to at least farm with a somewhat appropriate level char.

Honest

Difwi Are you me bro? This shits dumb isn't it?

Tpoon

Honest The current version of the game is apparently meant for a 2k pop. And every extra module added with a 500+ onto that pop. Or that's what Ali once said in one of Shawns streams. The issue is that its everyone all starting at once.. Like in EW it's not an issue, since the population isn't as insane as it is in NH.

Raybane

Tpoon Players also have the choice of picking the less popular starting locations if they want less competition. Picking the most popular one does come at a cost.

Tpoon

Raybane For sure, but what I mean is that once more starting areas pop up.. The population will be spread to where you're not stepping on other peoples feet. Like gimme that gnome city!

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