Inquisitor Deep Dive!

Mesh

Removing damage shield (DS) can take up to 36 seconds

Yep. This is why I suggested tweaks to Purifying Blow.

I think Inquisitor should be the strongest purger in the game given we're specifically themed as the anti-magic class.

Purifying Blow Unleash a purifying blow upon your target, dealing 150% Weapon Ratio Damage plus 2 (L10) to 10 (L20) Magic Damage, increasing your Threat against them by 30 (L1) to 300 (L60), and removing one beneficial effect from them. If the target is afflicted by any spell in the Distress line, Purifying Blow removes one additional effect. Effects purged restore mana equal to X% of their cost to the player.

Would allow us to purge up to two buffs per Purifying Blow (plus one from casting Purge directly) while adding some much needed mana sustain.

JankyJux

Question: On itemization, do INQ need to prioritize INT higher now?

Hope not. Having to sacrifice tank stats for INT pieces would make us even worse against physical mobs. Unless there are plans to add bunch of AGI/STA/INT plate throughout the game which seems unlikely.

I'm also curious about something mentioned in the class description that seems to be missing.

Redistributes stolen mana to allies and can enhance their magical abilities
https://monstersandmemories.com/class-inquisitor

Pillage covers the mana redistribution (I guess? CD Still too long!) but nothing in our kit meaningfully enhances casters in our group. Wouldn't mind seeing something added since, compared to the physical classes, there are relatively few damage boosts available for casters. Maybe add a 5% incoming spell damage debuff to Distress?

For the same reason, it'd also be nice if Pillage Mana (Pillage Thought?) drained INT and WIS in addition to mana and buffed our group similar to Necro's Draw Strength. Compared to the numerous sources of haste and melee stat buffs available, there are very few INT/WIS buffs in the game.

JankyJux

Mesh
Here are my thoughts on stripping buffs.

Purge & Purifying Blow each strip 1 buff normally.
If the mob has the Distress line, they each remove 2, and you give a small amount of mana to the party.

Mesh

JankyJux
The Pillage line will be fine as party-wide mana restore once the cooldown is reduced IMO.

I think we need a consistent source of personal mana sustain to avoid becoming a liability to our group.

I totally understand Xilith's response in the context of every other role. Casters and healers should have to pace themselves and meditate regularly to keep their mana up. As a tank, you can't do that. The whole group has to stop and wait for you to meditate after combat which is a waste of time players will soon learn to avoid by simply bringing a Fighter instead.

If it's already a noticeable problem while leveling it'll only get worse when it comes to end-game content with longer fights and raids. We've all seen how this played out in every classic MMO to date. The "hybrid" mana using tanks always get benched in favor of the Fighter archetype because nobody wants to deal with a tank who runs out of resources half way through combat.

Raybane

I was about to argue that Inquisitor should at least be able to do the basic taunting and tanking duties continuously, excluding any of the extra utility mana sinks. But then I realized something important. It's pretty bad that Inquisitors needs a Bard or Enchanter to function when a group that have a Bard or Enchanter doesn't need an Inquisitor. If Inquisitor is to act as poor mans support character in addition to tank, then Inquisitor must function without that support. Else Inquisitor is just a tank that doesn't offer what other tanks do.

Fafnyr

Level 34 Inquisitor. Mostly in full groups. Grain Cellar, VOZ Orcs, various.

Problem 1: Reflecting Bash should be off GCD. I dont mind that it can only be triggered when a mob is casting but it needs to generally be available. If you take Uppercut or Jab from Rogues as a comparison, both of which are instant and off GCD and not in conflict with other abilities, the anti-magic tank is the worst interrupter.

Problem 2: Agro is too weak. It is wrong to say use mana - both by concept (groups dont want to wait for a tank as that tank then sticks out as inferior to other tanks) and because of the usefulness and cast time on the Distress skill itself. The Distress line is mana costly and even when you use it, agro is still weak. If Distress line needs to be essential to threat, then (a) make it cast more quickly; and (b) make it cost less mana. Otherwise, put more agro control back onto the 2/3 melee abilities

Problem 3: When tanking, cast time or channeled abilities can be interrupted. Its not like the Distress line is fast to cast; or the Attainder line is care free. I would put a channel skill boost in the Inq aura to compensate for the higher need to complete spells to function

Suggestion: On Arcane Aegis, have it act as a snare/debuff/fear cleanser as well. It can be used but doesnt properly do the job.

Suggestion: Remove dominate mind. Its cooldown is excessive and not thematic as it doesnt integrate with any other parts of the kit. Find another special use ability

Raybane

[unknown] I agree with most of your post, but I disagree about Dominate Mind as I like it. It got a long cooldown, but it's a very powerful ability to have when things go sideways.

Mesh

Raybane
Agree. Dominate Mind can be pretty powerful if you use it well.

Given its long cooldown I don't think it should be resistable.

Raybane

Mesh Unresistable sounds like it could be abused against high level mobs. It doesn't randomly break at least.

Fafnyr

We all have things we like more or less and I am pleased you like Dominate. I want to, but I dont really see any repeatably useful, fun or significant scenario. When things go sideways, it is always a multi mob encounter. I cant see what 1 mob you charm in that situation, it wont save you or anyone else.

It has only a couple of feasible uses I find: (a) breaking a camp (Mez 1, charm 1 etc); or (b) merely something to have on your bar to buy time when soloing and something unexpectedly walks up to you. If you charm say a Fear mob, you create an even bigger mess more likely. A nuke mob? Wont be enough to help. A tank mob? Wont be enough to help. 1 minute is a tiny duration for those kind of situations.

Plus it caps at 52 so will have almost no use at cap.

It seems to be a weak use case for such a long cooldown ability and doesnt bring anything consistent with the rest of our anti-mage tyrant kit.

Mesh

Raybane
It should be usable against high level mobs IMO. It's not usable as a consistent charm and it has a long cooldown. There should be an upside. It's a fun ability and can be helpful used well but it's pretty weak in comparison to the cooldowns other tanks get. Fighters get a straight 40% physical damage reduction for 30s every 5 min.

Not sure which ability it should be attached to but I also feel like a damage shield would be a good fit on Inquisitor.

Help bump our DPS/TPS up a bit without spending mana since we have low autoattack damage.

snagason

Raybane Dominate mind is very seldom used once you reach level 55. Even if you wanted to use it you'd be hard pressed to find a mob that it can be used on

Raybane

Fafnyr There is no level upgraded version? That is sad. Hmm, how about if the cooldown greatly scaled down with levels?

Xilith

[unknown]

Not only could be, but frequently was. It has a resistance modifier on it to have a lower than normal resistance rate, but all Charms are influenced by Charisma for resistance, and if you have a low/base value you'll see resists.

Mesh

Xilith
I assumed Dominate the Mind was a unique ability for some reason and the normal charm formula didn't apply.

Can't think of any scenario in which an Inquisitor would build charisma so a 30 minute charisma-based cooldown is a strange choice.

snagason

I mean it's a fantastic ability I think. I've used it to great effect as an oh shit button up to the low 50's hunting grounds. The long recast pretty much pushes you to keep it for emergencies only unless you in a very comfy spot where you can use it liberally for fun but it doesn't really change much dps wise.
I very much disagree that it can't be used effectively. This pretty much erases two mobs on a bad pull for a full minute. Charm one, pit it against another one then taunt a third one, call assist and start mezzing. by the time it has run its course you have 2 mobs below 50% hp and your group probably had time to kill 2 more.
It just loses its utility completely once you hunt places with no mobs <= 52 and by then you're not likely to run into any panic situation in places where it remains useable so you just remove it from your bar and forget about it. I don't see why it couldn't be fixed to remain useable throughout the whole journey, but anyway with the revamp you probably need its spell gem for threat accruing abilities so....

MikeXG

I think that dominate the mind either needs slight improvement like lower cooldown (20 min)OR keep it how it is and add an aoe mez oh $h!t button as the equivalent to lay hands harm touch etc.

Raybane

[unknown] How about adding an AOE mez somewhere above level 52 to make up for losing the charm? I understand why a charm that works on too high level mobs could be a balance issue, but losing the use of an ability should be balanced out by getting a new one.

Fidric

Would it be possible for the Inq's physical and magic health barrier spells to scale their values from INT stat?

It would be a cool style to be able to focus on this preemptive defense but currently their mana costs with static values make this challenging against the wider Inq mana sustain issues.

Possibly give the spells some level based scaling within spell tiers e.g. L8 XX to L15 YY etc

Wtb old minor mana regen aura.

Fidric

My suggestion as a replacement alternative 'oh crap' button spell for Inq beyond Dominate would be a ~10m cooldown group HP absorb barrier (both physical/spell?) so an instant moderate value group runeskin with 16/24/30 sec duration etc. low to reasonable mana cost. maybe throw on a bonus rider effect of a dispel magic or temp increased spell/magic resist etc.

Mesh

Inquisitors kit is fantastic for the most part.

All I really want is tuning for mana sustain and threat. No need to reinvent the wheel.

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