Paladin Stats

redzero700

I know this might change upon rework, leveling my paladin up a bit pre-rework.

-Str and Sta I can imagine how they factor into the picture.

-Wis I hear about as our 3rd stat, and I would assume it increases the effectiveness of our heals and mana pool, but does it do anything to increase our damage (D&D equivilent of the holy portion of a divine smite)?

-Agi, I don't see mentioned. My understanding is Agi increases your block/dodge/parry chance (and possibly chance to be missed), but I only see it reccomended for monks. Is there a reason agi is not higher on the list as a tank paladin?

Meister

I think me and you read in two completely different places. From what I have read, stat order for paladins is agi, sta, wis, dex, str. Agi is a prime tanking stat with sta being used for more hp and raising block chance with a shield. I am not 100% behind wis over dex though, but seeing as we are a healing toon as well, boost to mana and heals is good. Str is good for threat, but ultimately dex beats it because if you miss, you get no threat. No clue how this will look after revamp though.

Arkamedeez

Meister Str is good for threat, but ultimately dex beats it because if you miss, you get no threat.

Pretty sure in this game tanks generate threat even on misses.

redzero700

Meister It's just been people talking on the forms that i've read. That stat order makes more sense to me though (unless threat is difficult to hold and you need more damaging stats in order to hold it, raising the value of dex/str).

Thank you

Tpoon

I think having Wisdom be our main "Dmg/Threat" stat could be cool, like our attacks that build threat will be doing magic damage, its not the auto attack damage. Would make the tanks far more unique if they all didn't use strength as their primary stat go gain agro.

Mesh

Meister

I am not 100% behind wis over dex though

I would dearly love for NWC to design Paladin so that it's an actual tank/healer and a significant portion of their threat comes from their melee healing rather than DPS.

Inquisitor just had their rework and mana is a huge problem. I suspect the Paladin is going to end up in the same boat unless the devs do something about it. Any tank class that uses mana but has no way to replenish that mana during combat is always going to end up being second choice to Fighters being able to spam skills and tank forever.

redzero700

Other games have done it where a tank's damage is split (part physical part magical) and then get like a +400% threat modifier on the magical portion. If our holy damage from smite, for instance, was modified by wisdom and our healing is already modified by our wisdom but also gets +400% threat. Paladins would be the best tank at holding agro on multiple enemies at once

Do we know if Fulfilment is primary or secondary haste? (Does it stack with the 6% haste from Swift Brawler's Cloak?)

Meister

Arkamedeez Not sure, almost everybody i have asked said there is no threat without a hit. I don't know for sure one way or the other, I just had no reason to disbelieve what they were telling me.

Leorus

What are everyone's thoughts on:

Starting traits
Stat allocation

Michael

It would make sense if the proc rate on cleric/paladin god-enhanced smites scaled off of charisma.

Make sense both in a class fantasy sort of way (favor of the gods) and give weight to adding charisma for the lull line they both get.

Tpoon

Since Windom improves holy damage. Would Wisdom be our main threat stat over strength now?

Raven

I will be doing more tests on how much +wis affects our dmg/healing tomorrow.

Also, I wonder what stat priority we should focus on. For now I'm more into AC > STA/AGI > STR/WIS > Dex. So, I value a piece with higher AC than a piece with -5 AC but +x whatever stats. Not sure if I'm doing it correctly but this is how it feels best for my game play.

Tpoon

Raven I always prio'd dex due to solo'ing early on. But it's a lot of stats to try and push for :/

Raven

So, I checked what WIS does to us.

At level 24 +10 wis gives me +3 dmg to my holy dmg and +6 healing to my healing spells.