Race/class

Rhelic

With EA right around the corner and the deep semi releasing soon, has there been talks of a race/class combo rework? I realliy wanna play a deep elf but not a whole lot of classes i wanna play on the deep elf side of things.

Raybane

13 out of 18 classes can be deep elf, that is quite frankly more then most races and unlikely to increase.

Leorus

The devs have strongly hinted that Ranger could be an additional class option for Deep Elves.

Cornmuffin

Leorus did they? Robot replied to me in discord like 6 months ago saying deep elves didn’t fit the lore. Maybe the deep dive is changing their lore since they are less magical?

That’s just my hopium speaking.

Ernst

In a recent stream he kept saying that DEEP Gnomes can’t be rangers, but he mentioned it a few times in a way where it sounds like some other deep race could be. Either that or he was spacing out and repeating himself.

MikeXG

I would also like a look at class / race combos. several of the reworks have altered the themes of the classes. I am a Dwarf enthusiast and always pick dwarf when it is an option - Bias aside though, the beast rework for example they are less nature animal boy and more barbarian with an animal friend. To me Dwarf screams barbarian over races like halfling for example. I know they've said class/race combos can be unlocked or might be added in the future, which is cool. But for someone who wants to have a main X class and wants to be a race that can't be said class, it is kinda a slap in the face if it gets added down the road. Sure you can remake the class and do it again and it promotes replay ability etc. But what if you have a go to Name for example and you used it on the first character, do you delete it? do you forgo the name and hope you get the class race combo you want in the future? They've said there wont be a rename option or anything.

At the very least it would be nice to know what FUTURE race/class combos will be available for those who want to plan ahead.

my 2 copper pieces

tuesday

I'm also hopeful they'll look over the race/class list and correct some issues with it. Dwarves in particular need their options adjusted. It's an obvious mistake that dwarves have classes like spellblade, wizard, elementalist, and enchanter. Dwarves as a race lack the necessary intelligence to act as intelligence casters. They are literal nearly-sentient rocks, and dwarves having these classes is a mockery to casters as a whole.

Similarly, dwarves shouldn't be either bards or rangers. Dwarves have been known in some fantasy settings to sing, but everyone knows they suffer from extreme alcohol use disorder and likely would be unable to play instruments. And while the may sing, there is no shot they're any good at it. Dwarf rangers make no sense because dwarves are used to living underground. If they tried to venture out above ground for too long they would probably fall asleep drunk out in the wilderness and be immediately eaten by a bear. They would also be unable to use bows for similar reasons that they wouldn't be able to play instruments- these are dexterous skills that have to be built up over time and dwarves have neither the resolve nor the fine motor skills (as rocks) required to master these things.

They also probably shouldn't be paladins or clerics. Shaman might be a better fit for a primitive and uncivilized race such as this, but imo none of the wisdom classes really fit the theme of the race- that being somewhat ambulatory rocks. The most they can probably manage as a race is hitting things with tools they found or stole from more advanced races. It might be best if the only option the class is allowed is fighter, for obvious reasons.

Hope the devs see this feedback and rectify the glaring issues.

Mesh

Troll Inquisitor pleaseandthankyou!

Barab

Lots of Dwarvern lore magic use from fictional writing to TSR/WoC/MTG to Warhammer. Dwarvern culture throughout the fantasy genres are not Orc like stupid nor petty vain elf arrogant. Elementalalism and mesmerizing isn't at all uncommon and a very reasonable take that Dwarves in MnM would match with said classes.

Barab

Plenty of Dwarvern lore magic use from fictional writing to TSR/WoC/MTG to Warhammer. Dwarvern culture throughout the fantasy genres are not Orc like stupid nor petty vain elf arrogant. Elementalalism and mesmerizing isn't at all uncommon and a very reasonable take that Dwarves in MnM would match with said classes.

Leorus

Cornmuffin During at least one of the streams they mentioned Deep Elf Rangers as being a candidate for one of the post EA unlocked race/class combos.

Also during a stream the other day he kept saying Deep Gnomes couldn’t be and put emphasis on one of the two words over and over.

I’m excited for the Ranger class deep dive and hope Deep Elves get them as an option.

MikeXG

tuesday
Respectfully I have to disagree with a few of your points.

I think there are lots of precedent for Dwarves to be rangers and bards as well as casters. Dwarf Paladin / Cleric might be the most iconic thing a dwarf can be (maybe other than fighter) I don't think dwarves are "stupid" they are just not one of the super intellectual races. But I do think they are considered a wise race in most fantasy lore.

Dwarves are jolly and sing songs and play instruments, several have used bows, rifles and crossbows in various fantasy content over the years in several genres. I can think of several Dungeon and Dragon modules that revolve around dwarf lore that supports this. Read (or watch) the Hobbit, multiple dwarves in that company are archers/scouts and would be considered "rangers" if they had a "class". As far as caster, real life mythology, Norse lore, Dwarven Rune Lords.

Just because dwarves are drunk doesn't mean they can't play instruments either, a lot real life successful musicians have had substance issues and perform while intoxicated or high, I see no difference with a dwarf being drunk. Dwarves can handle booze better than anyone and although it is canon that they drink a lot, not all dwarves drink, it is just a very common vice, not a cultural requirement.

Cheers mate :-)

Mesh

Saying Dwarfs lack the intelligence to use magic is a misunderstanding of several mythologies.

For example, LoTR's Dwarfs were masters of runic inscription and crafted several famous magical items like the helm of Turin and Elendil's sword Narsil.

The fact that they typically express magic in a different way isn't for lack of intelligence.

Shoklen

I know they are not planned, but man "the deep" would be a perfect opportunity to introduce a mushroom playable race. Just saying.

MikeXG

Shoklen
I actually almost spit coffee all over my keyboard reading this holding back laughter, love it :-)

In a similar theme, and more likely to happen - most races have an "extra feature" when setting the appearance, like scars and stuff on their face. I could totally see Deep Gnomes having some fungus growing on their head/face/shoulders as the "extra feature"