Elementalist Deep Dive Discussion

tummystix

eldub tested Chill and Burn on a guildie.

Chill = Cold Resistance debuff + Attack Speed slow (no % was given in the description)
Burn = Fire Resistance debuff + Burning (no damage #'s given or show up in combat log, but he watched his health it ticked for 10 damage. Tested 60 ele on 60 rogue.

I want to say the duration of both is around 5-6s. Forgot to time it.

Name

Maybe it went down this way because of the time crunch but doing this more legacy style design with improved quality of life was the right path all along anyway. Looks fun, straightforward in a good way. The 'wait for proc and combo with your spell' stuff would have sucked, it's good to consolidate into one blast (rather than 4) that gives you the right bonus automatically, things like combining multiple buffs into the spellshield, level matching pets, conjuring utility like bandages, etc. Nice clean design, do solid damage, have some utility, no need to overcomplicate with stance dancing and all that crap.

eldub

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cool thx. the burn seems weak but the chill effect is cool.

lmk if you test out the snare and how good it is on mobs if kiting with earth pet root disbaled is gonna make any sense for leveling.

Poita

Have done a little testing of Elemental pet healing. It appears that pet heals scale with INT, however they still scale with WIS. WIS appears to have twice the impact to pet heals than INT does. Every 1 INT increases pet heal by 1, whereas every 1 WIS increases pet heal by 2.

For the spell Elemental Empowerment, the HoT component scales WIS and doesn't scale with INT.

Unsure if these heals scaling with WIS is still intended

eldub

I think having an option to be more WIS focused for better healing, or more INT focused for more DPS is actually a pretty cool class mechanic that would provide some optionality in gearing depending on how you like to play.

eldub

One of my big gripes with Elementalist in the past is it felt like acquiring gear was almost useless outside of a slightly larger mana pool, and really only INT mattered in any way if you have decent tanks/cc.

If they open up a viable path for a WIS focused build, even if niche, that would be a huge win in my book making gear a lot more interesting for this class.

Krooguh

Wisdom doesn't impact Mana pool so would probably not forgo int for wisdom given the choice. Ideally you'll look for items with int and wis on it.

eldub

I believe if WIS is higher than INT, it does count for mana pool, no?

Krooguh

Hmm maybe. Never tried tbh. Figured it wouldn't. Could see the case of going wisdom stacking instead of int stacking for more of a healer style ele if there the case.

saephellar

prior to this update I noticed I was doing more damage so i hope they adjust the damage nerf. Fidric Blast skills version 3 use to do 116 now the companion slash is only doing 61 points of damage and the main nuke use to do 145 points of damage now this new elemental one is doing 120 points of damage. big nerf. What gives? I hope you fix this soon and balance them. Thank you.

saephellar

Pineappl Same here. That's what I thought they would do.

saephellar

Fidric Blast skills version 3 use to do 116 now the companion slash is only doing 61 points of damage and the main nuke use to do 145 points of damage now this new elemental one is doing 120 points of damage. big nerf. What gives? I hope you fix this soon and balance them. Thank you.

Bombadil

Damage from main nuke is down from almost 2k at 60 to just under 800. Mana cost is more than halved though so it's not terrible.

Pet dps and survivability is way up though.

Raybane

Bombadil 2k is about what Wizards gets, so it's not strange that Elementalists got tuned down in numbers.

Krooguh

Ya the damage shifted more to the pet which makes sense.

Zaroua

How do Elemental Flash, Companion Strike, and the new buffs interact with Charmed elementals?

Onelove

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What does the companion strike damage look like? level 60 elemental blast says 197+197 if you have a pet out.

That's 394 before any scaling. That's pretty close to wizard nuke of 724...especially when you factor that companion strike is supposed to be the harder hitting more mana efficient cast for ele.

Onelove

tummystix What does the companion strike damage look like? level 60 elemental blast says 197+197 if you have a pet out.

That's 394 before any scaling. That's pretty close to wizard nuke of 724...especially when you factor that companion strike is supposed to be the harder hitting more mana efficient cast for ele.

Qorsk

Not a fan of the changes overall. Doesn't seem well thought out and rushed more than anything. I hope another pass is done with special attention to spell efficiency.

Pet level scaling is great, but it still does the same exact damage before mob HP revamp and then stats boost.

Companion strike and the blast/bolt line are horrendously inefficient. About 1mana:2dmg ratio at level 47 with 100 int. Pre-patch it was a little better with the DD doing around 400+ at about 160 mana cost. Healing efficiency went up it seems, about 1:3.

Kept all the utility but made us more dmg inefficient, which really solidifies us as a support / crack rock provider. Druid nukes, for example, are way more dmg at much better mana efficiency. Better to just supply a HEALER class with mana rocks to do more dmg than it is for us to attempt to do any.

Tarlyn

The main thing I would like to see thus far, is allowing companion strike to be performed without standing us up and interrupting meditation

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