Druid Deep Dive discussion

JohnNS

https://monstersandmemories.com/class-druid-deep-dive

PennyLoafer

I’ll admit, the Shaman’s Ritual of Escape has made my Druid a bit jealous. I thought a comparable Druid spell could be called “Moths to a Flame.”

The Druid casts a ground fire that briefly draws nearby mobs toward it, giving the group a moment to regain control. It could last roughly as long as Ritual of Escape’s aggression-prevention window.

I’m not asking for all the additional benefits Ritual of Escape provides...just a thematic Druid alternative that might spare the group from having to evac every time things go sideways.

Cornmuffin

PennyLoafer I think Druids get evac as their alternative

PennyLoafer

Duplicate post. Sorry.

PennyLoafer

Cornmuffin Sanctuary relocates the group to another location, can fail, doesn’t work on encumbered targets, and isn’t available until level 55.

Ritual of Escape is available at level 40 and clears threat without relocating the group, prevents aggression, conceals everyone from living and undead enemies, restores health and mana, and grants see invisible. That’s far more than an evac alternative, and it is available 15 levels earlier.

They just don't compare to me, so I was offering something that might help balance things out.

CalBearGuy

PennyLoafer “Balance” is a bit of a stretch. You’re asking for Druids to get a near-identical spell to a separate class because it feels that our 3 existing escapes, set over the course of many levels, aren’t comparable to the one escape a Shaman gets.

Group Exodus is 55, sure. Group port is 24. Group Evac to that portal location isn’t long after that. Yes, there are restrictions to it, but nothing that prevents you from communicating those restrictions to the group ahead of time.

It’s ok for some classes to have unique abilities.

Luda

On paper, the escape looks cool but its far less applicable in "oh crap" situations. The cast time is incredibly long and it lasts for just 30 seconds. In that time you have to get to a safe spot. Likely people "died" while the "oh crap" moment was happening, so unless you are super quick at getting consents out and dragging, there's gonna be some CR happening.

From my seat, it's going to be used as a boutique tool for "pulling" or getting to places.

Just like Evacs, if you healed during the "oh crap" situation, there's a good chance you are getting hit and the spell is going to get interrupted.

Zurrie

Druids should get relatively low power animal summon pets. Similar in strength to the wolf pet that was taken away from Shaman. The strength of the class varies wildly depending on if you have a good animal around to charm or not. You should at least be able to summon an animal when there's nothing around to charm.

Fangbang

Zurrie I was very confused at them keeping Charm instead of providing us some form of permanent animal tame/summon (or just keeping the bear). The idea that the "naturally loved by nature" class has a spell that causes animals to attack you after it breaks is just... dumb imo. Why are they mad the druid charmed them?

The bear also provided a way for solo druids to explore low level areas without having to stop every 3s to med because they nuked a green con. It let me survive group pulls when people are slow. It was a major utility component that was removed because "we don't like having pets."