Enchanter and Power?

Laskey

Theres a section heading in the enchanter deep dive titled as above.

Oddly it makes no mention of Power - is this an error, an oversight or just left over from an earlier idea?

Does the new enchanter use CHA for mana determination???

riverbender

Charisma and Power
Charisma now has additional value for more of your kit. Your mental-affliction damage line, your channeled damage-over-time spell, and your rune shield all scale up further the more Charisma you have. Additionally, Charisma is still a key stat for Charm and Lull spells.

I am assuming INT continues to perform as INT does for INT casters.

Mesh

~~The Bard rework mentions that CHA also grants mana so I assume the same is true for Enchanter.~~

~~Likely they just forgot to include this in the Enchanter notes.~~

Turns out this is intended. Bizarre change given the direction they went with INT and WIS.

As an Enchanter you're now forced to split your stats between INT and CHA in order to use your full kit but only INT provides mana.

Stat Changes
Charisma is now used to determine bard mana, as well as damage bonuses on songs. It would apply to healing as well, but Bards currently lack any such spell. Hymn of Restoration is a Health Regeneration stat buff, not an actual heal.
https://monstersandmemories.com/class-bard-deep-dive

kyleromano85

This is a really important question. Will CHA determine the size of are mana pool and not INT?

"Likely they just forgot to include this in the Enchanter notes. I hope so

tummystix

Laskey they're just referring to the classes ability to do powerful stuff, like solo content that other classes cannot.

Khelben

Just logged on my enchanter ..... took all the + Cha equipment on/off.... No changes to mana pool at all

So CHA has no impact on are mana pool.... and we will still need to stack INT even though CHA is way better at this point

really bad move

I hope this is changed

Transcendent

Khelben From a class lore perspective I don't think they would take INT away as a requirement for something for ENC. Pure CHA seems a bit odd when magic should require some form of intelligence to master.

From a game play perspective though it's sounding pretty bad to have it split. Pushing CHA to be more useful is good, but if Charm is going to become a backburner thing at best or really untenable at all then there's less reason to use CHA outside of mezzing and a bit of buffing. If CC gets pressured to be less useful, the class is effectively moot. This of course would be if they don't handle power creep in one case or people don't get proficient enough at the game to make CC redundant (better pullers, better items, better player skill for target priority etc...)

Fell

As long as Charm is in its present state, there is exactly zero reason to stack CHA over INT. 100 int will give you a vastly larger mana pool AND +10 mana regen a tick AND larger DD nukes. CHA, otoh, gives you a lower resist -- not to mez which would actually matter -- but to our now-deprecated single-target lull, and a boost to our mana drains and channeled dmg.

But of course this presupposed they don't adjust charm back into something meaningful.

Side note: having DD depend on int while channeled DMG depends on CHA is just. plain. weird. I can make an argument for both being INT, or both being CHA. But splitting them? Insanity.

Maw

Fell all i can read in the deep dive about nuke is :
"Charisma also pulls more weight than it used to, contributing to your damage spells, your runeskin, as well as Charm and Lull."
And
"Charisma now has additional value for more of your kit. Your mental-affliction damage line, your channeled damage-over-time spell, and your rune shield all scale up further the more Charisma you have. Additionally, Charisma is still a key stat for Charm and Lull spells."

So it seems damages rely on CHA now.

I didn't played enough enchanter but there's other damage spells ?

Fell

Maw So it seems damages rely on CHA now.

I didn't played enough enchanter but there's other damage spells ?

We have one DD nuke line, and a channeled (sort of a semi DoT) dmg+snare line. The former still scales off IINT, while the latter now scales off CHA.

Maw

Fell Ok thank you, so INT still needed for this spell line and for mana pool / mana regen ?

Fell

Maw Exactly so. Though its odd the DD was left on INT; that may well be an error on devs part. It certainly makes no sense: either both should be INT, or both CHA.

Zaroua

Fell Exactly so. Though its odd the DD was left on INT; that may well be an error on devs part. It certainly makes no sense: either both should be INT, or both CHA.

If anything, other casters should have benefits from the caster stats they don't currently get anything meaningful from. INT and CHA should give something tangible to Clerics and Shamans. This would opening more interesting gearing choices. WIS should remain their primary stat, but replacing a 3 WIS piece with a 10 INT piece should be a choice those classes could make. I think of it in DnD terms: yeah your Wizard blasts and hits his resist combat checks more often with maxed out INT, but you still need some WIS and CHA for the adventuring portion of the campaign.

Edit: Now that I think about it, Adrullan's stat system already goes all in with this idea. Pillars of Eternity also played around with the concept a bit.

Fell

Zaroua INT and CHA should give something tangible to Clerics and Shamans. This would opening more interesting gearing choices. WIS should remain their primary stat, but replacing a 3 WIS piece with a 10 INT piece should be a choice those classes could make.

^^ This. I've been saying the same thing for quite a while. What's the point of all the different stats when 1 point of WIS (or INT, for int casters) is more valuable than 10 points in other stats? It gives you essentially no choice in gearing up.

Tanks, OTOH, have to balance agi, str, sta, dex, ac ... and unless they're a fighter, int or wis as well. It's a tough equation, with no one right answer. And that makes it interesting.

Khelben

Fell Side note: having DD depend on int while channeled DMG depends on CHA is just. plain. weird. I can make an argument for both being INT, or both being CHA. But splitting them? Insanity.

100% agree ..... This 1 thing if fixed/patched would change so much in my eyes -