Today's DoT nerfs

byrneo

Despite many pleas for improvements to DoTs, today they received an unexpected nerf that is difficult to square, especially without context from upcoming necro rework.

Having two Deluges up, and a sickness, and sometimes a leetch essence is pretty much the standard operating procedure. Our DD is so inefficient, it only makes sense to cast if you health is half. Now we can't stack deluges or sicknesses or life taps.

I am not sure what the player is expected to do. The snare dot is insignificant and only worth casting if you are kiting, so not necessary in most groups as its covered by other classes. Debuff? Spirit Crack does not change how hard my dots hit or tick for, or anyone else in the group so nope to that. i can heal my pet over and over i guess with my remaning mana but thats not required in group as he never has aggro. All that's left it to feed mana to people.

Do they plan on giving us another dot line to mix in to deluge and sickness? Or do they plan on giving us another DD?
Are neco pets getting some massive buffs we don't know about?

There's something badly missing here now and im frustrated this nerf didn't come with guidance or context,
I'm out here in VoZ snare fear kiting single baby beetle and finishing at zero mana, while druids are running around me triple kiting the giant beetles, running faster than lightspeed, finishing full mana and never in any danger -- but WE are the problem cause we could stack a weaker deluge along with our main deluge?

Zaroua

This 100% feels like a temporary measure until the devs can get around to the Necro/Ranger deep dives. Shamans, Druids, and Bards have already received this treatment, so it's safe to say that DoT stacking isn't something the devs want for the game.

Mesh

My understanding is that both our primary pet as well as whatever type of secondary pets we end up getting (no swarms pls! @NWC) will be stronger after our rework. Likely also better tuning of our spell lines.

To be honest, I always felt that stacking multiple ranks of the same DoT was cheesy and not intended gameplay so I'm not sad to see it go.

byrneo

Mesh i thought it was lame too, but since it was necessary it had to be by design. By taking this away, now, either they have to strengthen deluge and sickness, or they have to add another dot to our repertoire. It is disappointing they provide no context whatsoever.

Mesh

byrneo
Things will even out.

Expect things to feel off until after EA when all the reworks are complete and they can start fine tuning for class balance.

Classic

I'd love to see a Splurt type dot enter the picture. If you're going to spoil me, buff the damage of the snare line. I guess a fire dot line out of the question.

Chewbacon

I agree with the sentiment that things will even out, and we’re playing a moving target. It’s also important to give feedback on the how we get there because fair or not, people are going to react to what you put in front of them. Even if they’ve been told this is part 1 of tbd set of changes. Recently it’s felt like a lot of avoidable negativity has been created from the how.

Would it have been game breaking to leave dot line stacking alone until the necro rework? We also know necro pets will likely summon at the same level as the caster based on other pet class reworks, why not pull that forward for consistency too? I’m sure there are good reasons for it, but it still feels bad when it probably didn’t need to.

We’re getting to watch the meal being cooked, and that’s a cool privilege. That doesn’t make it smart for the chef to hand us a raw burger patty and ask what we think of the seasoning.

Unchainedfury

byrneo Despite many pleas for improvements to DoTs, today they received an unexpected nerf that is difficult to square, especially without context from upcoming necro rework.

THIS Right Here /applaud

What inference can players make with nerfs without explanation or compensation.

Today's Nerf affected Solo play the most.

I wasn't terribly worried about the necro rework prior to a couple days ago, as it was the most completed class in M&M of all the pre-reworks, imo.

Today, I'm worried.

Chewbacon Recently it’s felt like a lot of avoidable negativity has been created from the how.

I don't understand it either. It's like the devs enjoy pages and pages of backlash. I'm dumbfounded on why they continue this model.

EDIT: A little context goes a Long way

Gathbard

They were never good at communicating, and now they're in a rush for EA.
It's a 1+1=2 situation.

My guts tell me that they're crippling everyone to slowly work on building them back up to the point they feel it's right for the game later on during EA, but that's just a guess.

It feels like odd timing, I agree. If anything you would think they would try to make the EA launch go smoothly, at least on the community side of things, but it's not as if they could materialize a community department out if thin air when they never had one.

Nazgrimn

Unchainedfury

I wasn't terribly worried about the necro rework prior to a couple days ago, as it was the most completed class in M&M of all the pre-reworks, imo.

I'm would argue the Shaman class was the most complete and look where we ended up with that rework. I wouldn't hold out much hope. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Unchainedfury

Nazgrimn

I've never wanted to be more wrong in my entire gaming life.

Cheers