Chanters desperately need a tattle message.

Fell

Well, MnM finally added a zone where mez breaks actually matter, but we have a server population trained from level 1 up to be lazy and incautious about properly assisting. So mez breaks happen, and with combat spam it's impossible to find out the cause. It's particularly problematic when some of these breaks are the result of game bugs, not player error.

Can we PLEASE get a notification message on mez break identifying who or what actually did the damage?

Fanglore

Fell Concur.

Tsunamisan

Have the mob say HAHAHA "Place name here" You woke me up,. Now it is your turn to die!
Haven't really dealt with mezzing in MnM but in EQ people always broke mez before either it was mind wiped or the tank was ready to intercept it. End result usually me taking a dirt nap because It only took a few hits to kill a int caster.

Fell

LOL, well my idea was simply altering the existing wearoff message to include the player's name -- but your suggestion works too 🙂

Loekie1978

Should have a parser like eqtool (pig parse) where you can set warnings.

Or can’t you make a seperate chat window where you can filter this kind of critical combat / spell messages?

Fell

I already have the message filtered into a separate window. The problem is the message simply tells you mez has "worn off" ... not who or what broke it.

Loekie1978

Fell ok that’s not really convenient indeed. Hope they can add that in the log files so that we can have that info

Lockdown

100% This is a must. Why?

People often don't realize they have done it, either because they are not paying attention or because they just don't want to take responsibility for it. People will not learn how not to do it, when they don't even realize it is them. That even includes us career CC people because we also make mistakes.

Even if I see who is doing it I wont say anything for a long time and can never ID someone. I could be wrong and I don't want to falsely blame anyone, and even if I am right, I will look like an asshole for doing it. If it is happening repeatably I will say "sorry I'm trying but something keeps waking em". There is no nice way to single someone out without social cost. If the system is calling them out, that is different. It has worked in other games, people learned how not to break it and there was never an argument about who did it. Even I have broken my own mez and thought it was someone else, but then later realized how it was me. Thankfully I didn't call someone out for my mistake but I'm sure others have without knowing.

GoblinDruid

Lockdown

People often don't realize they have done it, either because they are not paying attention or because they just don't want to take responsibility for it

I'm super chill in-game and have never raged at anyone for breaking mez, but I've had multiple groups rage at me for not mezzing stuff and our group wiping. What they don't realize is that I did mez the same mobs multiple times, and ended up going OOM because of other players repeatedly breaking mez.

I also had a player repeatedly break mez, and tried to peacefully explain to him in PMs how to avoid doing this. The guy got super upset and started cursing me out, saying he didn't break mez and that I was stupid etc. Randomly left the group without saying anything, so I had to explain to my group what had just transpired.

The current system kind of guarantees that a competent Enchanter/Inquisitor is likely to catch flak for the actions of another player. I don't really want a tattle system for people to yell at someone for breaking mez, but I do want a tattle system so that the mezzing player doesn't get yelled at for actions that are out of their control.

It actually reminds me of the early Overwatch days where Blizzard would hide the score charts from other players because they thought it would lead to toxicity if players could see who was under-performing, but it actually created a more hostile environment where good players tended to get blamed for losses because no one had any clue who was doing what.

Fell

GoblinDruid I'm super chill in-game and have never raged at anyone for breaking mez, but I've had multiple groups rage at me for not mezzing stuff and our group wiping. What they don't realize is that I did mez the same mobs multiple times, and ended up going OOM because of other players repeatedly breaking mez.

I've specifically been deferring pushing NWC for more risk to mez breaks, because determining the cause is usually impossible. You can't really train a group to not do this, unless you can identify who the culprit is. I once embarrassed myself badly because I accused a group member -- who HAD broken mez a few dozen times in the last few pulls -- when the problem was the targeting bug had hit me, and I mistakenly used the pet attack button rather than /pet attack.

Fell

A lot of player support for this, and essentially no opposition. Shamelessly bumping this for dev attention.

navyrob

You could make a case that it makes a difference for the pvp crowd to keep it secret. I dont really care either way so I say leave it as is.

Fell

navyrob The information isn't "secret". It's right there in your combat log ... and after the fight ends, if you want to scroll back through a few thousand lines of text, you can usually find it.

And don't forget: A break occurs when someone slaps the mob you're holding, usually right in front of you. How would you -not- be expected to see who that was?

navyrob

Fell Well if you can see who broke the mez I guess I dont see what the problem is? You want the information more convenient and easy to find? I guess I get it but I personally do not care. Mezzes break. I remezz. I dont need to type about it, but thats just my personality I suppose. To me this is a nothing burger when we have better things for them to look into imo.

Fell

navyrob You don't care because mez breaks don't matter, in the current training-wheel style of the game. If and when a mez breaks means enchanter death, it matters. When you have a couple mobs doubling for 500 each and someone accidentally dots them, you'll want to know who it was. You'll want a res first, of course ... but then you'll want to know.

navyrob

Fell I hear you I just dont stress about deaths and assigning blame. I try to save the day and create a hero of the moment situation for myself. If not then I do my best and let the cards fall where they may. I make no judgments if you are doing that kind of thing its just me personally so I dont care about who broke the mez.

The one thing thats very different tactically speaking is that pets do not automatically back off mezzed targets in MnM as they did in EQ. Pets can and will brake mezz all over the place so factor that in to the whole equation.

Fell

navyrob I hear you I just dont stress about deaths and assigning blame.

It's not about pointing fingers, it's about building skills. In Classic EQ, even a level 30 group was adept at properly assisting and breaks were rare. But when FW was added to MnM -- and breaks began to matter -- many level 60s were repeatedly making the same mistakes, fight after fight after fight ... because they'd been trained since level 1 that breaks are no big deal.