Ranger Deep Dive Discussion

Jethras

I am very excited with the Ranger changes and I really have to give you guys props. You've shown that you understand the class fantasy and you've really leaned into it.

I'm also so happy that you guys listened to the feedback from those of us who wanted to keep a nature magic angle, even if it is slight. I feel heard and I really appreciate that.

My only immediate issue - I think Finishing Blow should work with two handers as well. My personal Ranger class fantasy for melee is dual wielding, however I think two handed Rangers are common enough that there will be a significant amount of people bummed that they can't play the Ranger they have in their head, like an Aragorn type. I hope you guys consider this for a future change. I think Rangers should have the option of dual wield or two hander for melee (maybe limit it so Ranger's only choices for two-handers are swords and spears, no huge axes or hammers that would slow them down).

Now I need to reread the deep dive a bunch of times and gather more thoughts.

rabbi

Fidric This line mentions a replacement ability called "Hunter Net" that is otherwise not described in any way in the deep dive.

This might be a hallucination. These recent deep dives are very obviously at least partially AI-genned. Good catch.

NarcolepticLTD

I'm curious about the new cureberries... The old ones were summoned and therefore no rent and tradeable. Are foraged berries persistant? are they tradeable or no drop and you have to apply them to others yourself?

Not that I'd give them away, I'd eat them all. No one can have my floor pie!

Booger

Is Ranger Bow skill still capped at 250?

Ocellus

Name you'll be okay. 😁

Esar

So I thought the whole revamp was to make them different from Druid? Doesn’t sound like it. They got the better damage shield and the same regeneration as Druids and shaman. 🤷

Shimmy

Esar did we read the same deep dive? Rangers lost all their nature magic which tied them to a Druid hybrid.

Instead, they’re build more like Aragorn, living off the land, and taking care of their groups

Ocellus

Ooookay, overall pleased. I love the nod to the thing rangers have done well forever but never gotten anything for other than a "paper tank" joke. Now we have an "off tank" stance specific for that. Love it. Campfires cool, DOTS by blade and bow very cool as well as slows and such.

Bummer to lose wolf form but oh well. More bummed to not see an improvement to tracking where we can see cons and filter mobs, but that type of fine tuning may come later. Super bummed to lose snare even with a replacement (hamstring) only because I always enjoyed my tagline "it isn't a good day unless you snare yourself once." 😁

So to summarize: love it, positives way outweigh negatives, excited for stances, need new tagline.

Presul

Ocellus They should do tracking the way Everquest Legends did it. Basically has a giant circle on the map with all the dots (colors of cons) showing in that circle. If you pick a mob from the list it will select it in the map so you can see where it is.

Ocellus

Presul did they have a way to filter out greens, etc? I only played EQ through planes o power.

Name

Ocellus Yeah by likely picking a different class. If you are cool playing casually then whatever but if you are doing it right you will be stance dancing basically nonstop. Movement stance to run around while pulling, but then swap to archery stance before firing, then back to movement stance for the run back, then archery stance at camp while the mob is coming in and to bleed it, then swap to melee stance to get that bleed in, then midfight swap to archery stance to refresh that one, then back to melee to refresh that one, constant in and out, then swap to offtank stance because someone pulled aggro, swap back to movement stance, etc. It's a straight up SPB crackhead now. It will still be very popular because it has convenient things like sow, healing, regen, and so on, but WTF?

Timotron

On the one mention of Hunters Net....

Can we get clarification from the dev team on it.

Case 1: Rangers get a ranged castable snare called hunters net now, and it got skipped in the deep dive main by accident.
-or-
Case 2: Rangers do not get a ranged castable snare, and Hunters net was left in by mistake after being cut.

Or... we just wait till the 1st and find out... but it would be nice to get clarity now.

Fidric

Feels odd to me that various racial options offer ways to bring shelter, shade, minor persistent campfire buffs and improvised crafted light torches or biolumination with these elements being absent from the revised ranger base despite feeling very on theme, outside of a fairly long cd hp/mana campfire restore.

E.g. also give ranger the ability to craft a simple wood torch that lasts 50% longer and is brighter or another bonus etc as a mirror to hearth etc

E.g. a craftable shelter/shade tent

Presul

Ocellus EQ did have a way to filter out based on the con of the mob as well as the order you wanted the list in.

EQ Legends made it better. If you are familiar with ShowEQ, they essentially took part of ShowEQ and brought it into the game for tracking. The map shows dots and they move around so you get a picture of everything around you. The higher the tracking the larger the radius.

Valc

Has it been mentioned how/if WIS will play a role in Ranger now?

Timotron

Valc Has it been mentioned how/if WIS will play a role in Ranger now?

Very likely, since one of our buffs increases wisdom, rangers still scale mana and "spells" off of wisdom just like before.

Fell

Presul The map shows dots and they move around so you get a picture of everything around you. The higher the tracking the larger the radius.

Yeah, that's perfectly in theme for a fantasy RPG ... a ranger with real-time long range synthetic-aperture radar.

Nameless

Name

Even though you could skip a few optimal but very marginal stance swaps in there, I do agree that, on paper, it sounds like a nightmare of stance dancing. Hopefully they remove the melee and ranged ones and just bake the stats in the base of the class when the feedback comes that its just too much after we test it.

NarcolepticLTD

Fell it's probably more of a satellite link or surveillance drone - all fantasy RPG rangers are secret Kurita Enthusiasts an the best Jenner pilots in the sphere. It's true! Look it up!

Brettanomyces

Fidric Jahaar has confirmed that Longstrider is faster than sow but slightly slower than Bard with a drum. So its gonna be fast! Not designed for kiting or engagement, but travel (again per Jahaar). Does not stack with SoW (but it is faster than SoW)

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