Ranger Deep Dive Discussion

Ocellus

Name I'm genuinely curious, what would you propose as an alternative? To me a stance dance makes for an engaging play style and again, as I said, having a stance that speaks to the off tanking abilities of rangers, something we have always done, is refreshing.

So, sincerely, in your perfect Ranger build, what's the alternative to stances? I'm curious.

Linkamus

This version of the ranger sounds awesome.

Name

Nameless Yes merging archery and melee into a single damage stance would help a ton (or just... eliminating stances), and also getting rid of melee and ranged bleed stacking so you can just stand where you want with no pressure to weave in and out. With these fixes the class will be great.

Nameless

Ocellus Name already highlighted the amount of stance dancing on pull

Longstrider Stance
Goes out pulling
Ranged Stance (personally I would skip this one)
Shoot Mob
Longstrider Stance
Run back to camp
Melee Stance
Apply bleed
Ranged Stance
etc.

Its... a lot
But we will see when we can actually try it.

Name also getting rid of melee and ranged bleed stacking

I actually like that mechanic, but need to see if pure melee/ranged is still viable. We don't know the damage amount or how high they stack, we'll see later.

Treble0096

I am 90% happy with this. There are only 3 points I am either unhappy with or leery about. So if anyone sees any mention of this by the devs on the discord or somewhere else @me and let me know. None of it is a deal breaker though.
1) They said they wanted to make Rangers "Masters of Snare" Tanglefoot and Maiming Shot don't sound like that. How masterful they end up actually being will depend on range/CD/duration, which are numbers we unfortunately do not have.
2) Campfire mechanics. I do not think they went far enough with this. The HP/Mana regen one is nice and all, but considering how excessive some of the cooldowns are in the game I question what the actual usefulness of it will be. What is "a long cooldown"? 10 minutes? 20? 1 Hour? The hearth campfire still being just a campfire that lasts a little longer is kind of a let down. Especially since they teased the other camping support in the racial stuff.
3) No movement skills? I was hoping for something like a gap closer/maker. Even if it was just a forward facing leap with no other mechanics.

Again, still stoked and think this rework was largely a success!

Mouser999

Nameless Can you just use SoW for most normal pulls and skip the Longstrider stance?

scala

Wood elf rangers. Question.
Grove Tender or Well-Traveled?

Having your hearth viable everywhere shelter and shaded, seems such a nice QoL. With Well-Traveled the +5 to slash/blunt/piece which raises your skills above the cap seems too good.

Unless you think about +10blunt. Will rangers get viable 1hb down the line? I didn't see any in EA.

Name

Mouser999 Yes, the pull part is exaggerated optimization, however, the ranged+melee weaving and bleed stacking is not and you will have to stance dance all throughout that as well. That's a lot of busy work.

NarcolepticLTD

Mouser999 this is likely the intention and what will end up being the go too. SoW is plenty fast when kiting/pulling - I'm betting on sow stacking with longstrider for a nice boosted travel speed as well, but keeping it really only useful outside of combat

Brettanomyces

Nameless why use longstrider to pull? Just get SoW on

Brettanomyces

Treble0096 hunters net is another snare option. And without seeing it in game, I'm speculating it's just snare with a new name

Brettanomyces

NarcolepticLTD jahaar already confirmed SoW won't stack with Longstrider but longstrider will be the second fastest move speed in game, only behind bard+drum!

NarcolepticLTD

Brettanomyces ok nice - so your sow will stay on but your max move speed will just hit longstrider and stop there?

NarcolepticLTD

Brettanomyces looks like it's a multi-target snare (cone attack) - I guess we'll see what the range looks like

Nameless

Brettanomyces why use longstrider to pull? Just get SoW on

Mouser999 Can you just use SoW for most normal pulls and skip the Longstrider stance?

Yup, outdoors you just rely on SoW. Indoors I would just pull without the ranged stance.

Hackman

Fell yes like size of dung or depth of boot print will help him understand what hes tracking.

Ghost11203

Does the campfire thing refresh buffs what kind of regeneration are we talking about here?

Is it just the ranger that deals less damage and takes more or is it the entire party?

Does leading/opening strike/shot turn into their follow ups or are those different skills on the bar?

Do stances have a cooldown?

Nameless

Ghost11203

Bit of a weird place to be right? We have the deep dive, but lack all numbers!!!
Hard to know where things will fall.

Keltickope

Presul no thank you. Any map with a player marker, Ill pass on. Track now, leads you without revealing everything

Keltickope

Brettanomyces likely wont stack but will “layer” so if its lost SoW still remains

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