Proof Leveling is still far too fast.

Rhor

why does this forum let us view a private thread between two members?

Vabjekf

Im sure the OP is aware the current high levels are playing a lot and optimally and factoring that in to his judgement on the games level speed.
Somewhere this game advertised acknowledging that the leveling process is what really made mmos special, yet it seems to want to appeal to the 'mmos start at endgame i must get to the level cap' crowd.

Its actually destructive to the kind of leveling vibe to let people cap out in an mmo. This is an inherent contradiction in EQ clones that no one has bothered solving. People are always going on and on about the small group leveling experience and how special it is, yet they all still seem to want to make that a fast period in the game for them. Of course 'level' is abstract, some games might have limitless levels, other might have the levels stop somewhere but stat progression continue, others might have things like AA or RR. Things to continue grinding to make your character stronger is the point. You dont necessarily have to have it be levels, but levels is all we got now.

Gold

Vabjekf Somewhere this game advertised acknowledging that the leveling process is what really made mmos special, yet it seems to want to appeal to the 'mmos start at endgame i must get to the level cap' crowd.

You get it.

Vocis You said it was too fast, not that it was too easy.

You don't get it. The game is too fast AND too easy. Go back to Angry Birds, you can that one fast.

Vocis

Gold
Post your hardcore character.

Gold

Vocis Post your Counterstrike headshot count. Its clear you don't care about THIS game or the design goals behind it.

When they put up a hardcore server, I'll be there. I played a HC toon a bit in beta but until they have their own server grouping is impossible.

Vocis

Gold

I haven't played counter strike in 25 years.

But since you're such a gaming badass post your no hit elden ring run.

You claim the game is too easy and too fast.

Yet you choose not to play hardcore.

It's almost like the problem isn't that the game is too easy or too fast.

Raziel

aLovingRobot It's great you all are keeping an eye on it, certainly feel the levelling is too fast. I think the issue is also tied to how fast respawn is in "XP" camps such as poachers in keeper's bight. You can sit there from 28-35 and it flies, it's non stop killing and low hp mobs.
Where when you hit the higher levels say 44+ you actually feel like you are in camps more getting gear etc and levels slowing just happen and you tend to venture more across the game, possibly because of the XP needed to get through those levels and or it takes longer to kill.
Either way as a level 49 currently the game just feels a lot better / slower 44+ and I certainly have put in a lot of time in being off on holidays for the first 2 weeks of release so it's not the normal played time but certainly there is a lot of people on Trem 35+ only a few weeks in.....or at least it seems like a lot are, we all know that 51+ is a slower haul but when you get into those 50's there is really only so much to do currently and even if you never hit 60 you can still see all there is to see and I think we just want more people around long term which I'm sure you also have more content to come on your radar.

Run7s

Dalberon you will come to a different conclusion at 40+ and again at 50+. I think it was estimated 1-50 was 50% of exp needed to hit 60 and 50-60 is the other 50%. I personally feel like it's a 60/40 split.

Fell

Run7s I think it was estimated 1-50 was 50% of exp needed to hit 60 and 50-60 is the other 50%. I personally feel like it's a 60/40 split.

It slows down appreciably past 49, sure, but its not that bad -- you got 10 hell levels in a row is all. For me in Beta, the halfway mark to 60 was somewhere between 40 and 44.

But that doesn't mean there isn't an issue. There's a lot of great content in the 15-45 range that people never experience.

Dalberon

Fell

If it is just hell levels, the ones I have been through weren't bad at all. I've only gotten to level 32 in beta, but I literally completed my last hell level in one evening of play with a four man group of friends I play with a lot.

Shimmertar

I am slow walking it as much as I can. I feel like I am going to work myself out of my job. Which I like my job, but once it is done I am lacking a pursuit. The biggest challenge I think is prolonging the experience across leveling, gathering, and tradeskilling without making it a punishment. I have no idea how NWC will do that, I am just taking my time and enjoying the ride.

Sever

Dalberon We are seeing the same thing with our 4-6 player group. We seem to be outleveling dungeon camps rather quickly, often before we want to. Hearing things slow down 39+ is good to know, because it feels like things are moving too fast overall. We don’t play too much either, just always together, and we are low 30s just 3 weeks in.

Sever

Raziel We are seeing the same things you mention. We have probably done 80% of our exp in dungeon camps (it’s just what we like), and we pull nonstop, never stopping to recover unless we get a fluke 5 pull. We tend to do the camps with 4-6 people depending who has to go or can’t be on, and while kill speed slows down with 4, we still never stop pulling, it’s as fast we kill and not at all hinged on health/mana.

I think the above converts into quick exp gain, especially when respawn times are 6-10 minutes, and regening over 20 mana/tick at lvl 34 coupled with class mechanics that provide even more. Add in that outdoor camps have nearly 0 risk, and you have available leveling that is fast and easy for most folks.

All of that said, experience in games like this certainly helps mitigate mistakes and be efficient at things. So while we have that going for our relatively static group, a player diving into this game as an individual that doesn’t know everything right away should also be able to be provided the fundamentals to get started with. The dev team is likely pulling their hair out trying to create a middle ground for both ends of that spectrum. We ourselves will continue to look for dungeons to explore and camp that have some difficulty, because that’s just our thing, and we are glad we have that option in this game.

However, all of that said, we still think exp is moving too fast overall for a variety of reasons.

Gerold

Yeah never balance around the streamers or the sweats, bad idea.
Also right now i am sure they arent blind to the fact that less people log per 24h than there was when the sub were half what they are now.

So even tho the 33k+ sub atm looks great, its not representative of how the product is perceived.

Fell

Gerold eah never balance around the streamers or the sweats, bad idea.

No one's doing that. Checking both Trem and Tilustra today -- a mere three weeks from EA start -- I see 1/4 of the server pop above level 30, and nearly 10% above 40.

Jesica

Im almost level 53, but we already have a few 60s on my server (Estaire). I dont think leveling is too long. I think the bulk of the population will be sub 50 for quite a few more months

Gerold

Fell
There is a database where you can follow the data.
https://tiendil.github.io/monsters-and-memories-stats/#overview?range=all&aggregation-online=24h

basically we were rolling aroiund avg 4.3-4.6k with 25ksub

10k sub later, we roll around 4k avg per 24h.

Still young data set but already speaks

Fell

Gerold Still young data set but already speaks

If your point is that you can incentivize long-term play by feeding players carrots faster, I disagree. Any new game -- most especially a game intended for a niche market -- is going to see a large spike, then dropoff right at launch. Faster leveling would have meant casuals hung around 2 months instead of one ... but would have further eroded the long-term base.

Jesica I think the bulk of the population will be sub 50 for quite a few more months

I think we'll see the opposite. In 60 days, many of the casuals will be gone, shifting the numbers further to what will be then a mostly 50+ base. You and I can check back here after Christmas and see which of us is right 😃

KronoKinesis

All I can offer about this is my own experience. I am a player who is not really concerned with leveling up fast, I'm taking my time doing more questing, exploring, tradeskilling, etc. That being said I have become hooked and played this game with basically ALL of my free time since it came into early access.

I'm not a poopsocker but I'm far from casual either, and I am currently level 18. This was with two sessions of being power-leveled by friends as well as several pure grind sessions with groups on optimal mobs.

But since that isn't ALL I'm doing, I'm quite satisfied with the rate of progress. I've yet to reach my first hell level and so far I definitely feel like I've earned everything. The only thing that feels out-of-pace is the money and gear to level ratio, there does not appear to be a reliable way to get good quality gear besides player crafted items, and tradeskills go up so slowly that even while I am not caring about leveling up, I am very quickly outstripping my ability to craft gear that is useful or current to me.

Otherwise I must depend on drops from named mobs, which is the opposite of reliable. It's random, and you might not get it at all even if it does show up because you are likely grouped.

If people want to skip all other content to get to max level fast, I say let em. The type of player that wikis the most efficient solution to every single question never has and never will be concerned with the other activities like exploration or questing or finding game secrets, that doesn't mean there isn't content there to last you longer than 120 hours. It just means some people are going to skip 2000 hours of content and only do the leveling part.

This world is absolutely massive and I've barely scratched the surface. There is SO much to do, and see, and explore, beyond killing the same mobs for 5 hours straight until you can handle the stronger ones next on the list.

Jesica

Fell i dont mind telling you that you're right if you are right. which of us is the better prophet tho? thats a more interesting wager

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