Proof Leveling is still far too fast.

Daytime

Good point.

Sneers

Daytime problem is majority of higher levels are anonymous, so can't be too sure unless dev confirmed

Daytime

To be honest, there are a lot of arguments that we, the players, can't fully make because we don't have the data to back it up.

At least the Devs see our passion for the game lol.

Fell

Sneers Fell EQ had day 2 maxxes on launch.

LOL, not even remotely correct. I was on two separate launch servers, and on both the first to level 50 took nearly one month, and in both cases it was a necro who did it using a quickly-removed exploit. The hardcore base who leveled honestly took 3 months to do so, and many 'average' players still weren't level 50 when Kunark was released, over a year later.

Daytime P99 had two players reach max level in less than a week.

P99 is not Classic EQ. It's magnitudinally easier and faster.

Fell

Daytime How many of those 24,000 subs are hoping for a slower leveling experience?

Once again: this game is intended as a 'niche' game, developed by NICHE World Cult. Those among the 24K subs who want a fast leveling experience are the very ones who are going to move on to some other fast-leveling game in a month or two, of which they have hundreds of those style games already to choose from.

Sneers

Fell LOL, not even remotely correct. I was on two separate launch servers, and on both the first to level 50 took nearly one month, and in both cases it was a necro who did it using a quickly-removed exploit. The hardcore base who leveled honestly took 3+ months to do so, and many 'average' players still weren't level 50 when Kunark was released, over a year later.

Nah there was a whole thing people killing Naga in day 2. I'll agree to disagree , considering I was in beta and moved to live and physically seen it happen

Fell

Sneers Nah there was a whole thing people killing Naga in day 2.

Why repeat stuff like this? The first serious attempts on Nagafen didn't come until a few months after launch, and they weren't successful. Do you even know what server first killed Nagafen, and when? And who was the guild who did it? It took the first guilds many tries (and failures) to begin killing Nagafen, and all the way up to launch day of Kunark (13 months later), there were still pickup raids of 100+ people dying to Nag without a kill.

You're repeating something you heard about a P99 server -- and distorting that badly.

aLovingRobot

Please remember to be civil to each other.

Discuss the topic and not each other.

Sneers

Fell yeah i think i was mixing the two p99 and EQ, though I could have sworn it was Vanilla eq cause I didn't join p99 until past 08 so wouldn't make sense, but yeah you're probably right

Unchainedfury

Daytime

There's a lot of variables to consider

Old School Core Vision
Introducing new players to this genre without discouraging them (worthy goal)
Content - is there enough content for exponential camps in these level ranges
Social constraints / experiences
How many subs are Niche old-school players? (over half?)
How much weight does NWC want to give to this population?
Max level content and vision

etc.... there's many more variables to consider

I believe there's a middle ground to be had..but the devil is in the details 🙂 Something as simple as slightly adjusting some higher Hell levels, without a blanket exp gain reduction overall, could do the trick.

Out of the x3 "difficult" Hell levels I experienced in beta, only one of them felt truly "Hell" to me..but that depends on class playability/group config and availability/ and content availability.

Unchainedfury

Daytime If we're arguing which game has the slower leveling speeds,

I'm not arguing anything.

Just stating a slight tweak wouldn't be a bad idea, if done smartly and without discouraging new players.

EDIT: I respect your perspective and always prefer gathering input from people in the game, as they're experiencing it, rather than forums/discord/etc. I find it more organic, genuine, and a better source of input.

ProgressionQuest

aLovingRobot

Just make 40-60 take 9000* as long, then dial it back once more people get there ;p . Don't tell anyone either.

Fell

ProgressionQuest Just make 40-60 take 9000* as long, then dial it back once more people get there ;p . Don't tell anyone either.

A few MMOs have implemented leveling systems to reduce exp outliers -- nothing nearly as extreme as that, of course. Some had a system, for instance, where your first hour or two of leveling each day got a substantial boost, then tailed off. Hardcore players could still progress, but without the bonus.

Pauper

Fell Can you provide any proof that people are not using exploitable leveling tactics that are exceptions to the rule of leveling pace?

Walorn

aLovingRobot

Awesome.

Would be nice to see some kind of fun post launch stats like class and race popularity, top killed enemy, average number of deaths per player, etc.

Fell

Pauper Proof that people are not exploiting to level? You can't prove a negative, but the sheer number of people around the level 40 mark alone is a pretty clear indication that most, if not all are doing it honest. My point wasn't about exploits but the sheer ability to level so quickly.

Jesica

My (communism our <--- edited for Nid) static has done 1-40 this past week; we will probably end today at 44. We dont even have an optimal group / meta group ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Nideak

Jesica Thank you, comrade.

Nideak

Fell Bruh that's a wild accusation. I've been recording some of our sessions if you wanna watch some game film

Run7s

who's leveling fast?

-Ryca (Shadow Knight)

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