Proof Leveling is still far too fast.

Murp

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Fell

Nideak Bruh that's a wild accusation. I've been recording some of our sessions if you wanna watch some game film

LOL, what? Try re-reading my post. You have mis-processed it badly if you think I accused anyone of exploiting; quite the opposite in fact.

Nideak

Fell BRO YOU THINK I CAN READ? I haven't slept in 6 days

EDIT: This thread has slowed down our XP a crippling amount, i am being told to stop looking at it. GOOD BYE I LOVE YOU SO MUCH

Gummy

i haven;'t seen any other 40+ spellblades so i don't think leveling is too fast

Jesica

Nideak please stop posting in this thread you literally are not pulling or attacking things

Fell

Gummy i haven;'t seen any other 40+ spellblades so i don't think leveling is too fast

There are level 43+ of all classes -- 43 levels in the first week, for a game intended to be played years, and especially for a game with little to no real endgame content as of yet is indeed far too fast.

Zaroua

Fell
Another thing to keep in mind is that game hasn't been science'd out yet. There were major sweeping changes on the day of launch, mechanical changes that happened shortly before launch, tons of small bugs and tuning issues (looking at you BTB low level side for being too damn easy), etc, etc. All of those add up to make leveling less efficient than it could be. My point is that whatever the current numbers are to hit level cap: assuming no sweeping overhauls to combat mechanics, the time it takes to reach lvl 60 will get lower as the game gets more and more figured out. The 120-150 hour figure will drop over time, even for completely untwinked players or for whatever new servers they spin up. And that will be even more true as the world opens up and more camps are available. And this will be even more true as classes are better balanced and tweaked and polished.

Rougar0u

Only 47, I think its to slow

Lucent

Really struggle to understand who could want a game like this to have many max level characters in under a month..

Ajjantis

Fell

I think it depends on how you look at it. The people who are 40+ right now planned optimal groups, optimal level routes, beta experience and are playing 16+ hours a day (likely over 100 hours played by this point). They will still likely have around 300 played hours by the time they hit 60, and that is with optimal everything.

The average user who plays a couple hours a night and maybe a longer on the weekend will not have any of those benefits. It will take those people 6+ months to hit 60 at best. I wouldn't say leveling should be made slower based solely on the people rushing to 60.

Loekie1978

Would be cool if you could turn xp off yourself so that you can explore the areas you want even longer instead of providing out levelling them

Darkhayn

Issue is content is too easy with basic gear, gear should matter more as you level especially at 30+ (both for physical and magic).
There should be an exp mod, if you're killing the same for too long or killing mobs from less frequented places.
Removing spells from vendor at 35-40+ can also be an option to slow leveling, by making them dropped, quested or researched.
Lastly they can just lock the max level before it's too late, because the issue people with just rush to max level, then camp everything, kill the market and leveling process. Also raid should be removed for now at least.

Fell

Ajjantis The people who are 40+ right now planned optimal groups, optimal level routes, beta experience and are playing 16+ hours a day (likely over 100 hours played by this point).

60 hours to level 40 is what it took me in Beta, and of the few level 40s I've talked to, that's about what it took them. Simple math alone should convince you your estimate can't possibly be right, as quite a few people made 40 on Day 5, and that equates over 20 hours a day.

That works out to 150-200 hours to hit 60, which in a game designed to provide an "old school" years-long experience is several times too fast.

Ajjantis

Fell

I totally agree that 60 hours to level 40 is way too fast. No argument there. My argument is balancing the exp around those players who are optimizing the fastest leveling routes, having static groups, ignoring all exploration/named farming, etc.

I took off work to play EA launch and have reached level 24 at around 50 hours of played. Thats a far cry from lvl 40 in 60 hours. I spend lots of time just wandering around looking for stuff to do. How slow do you realistically want it to be for a normal person playing this?

Nideak

if Shawn isn't personally flying to the house of every person who is 40+ right now and hitting them in the head, the devs aren't even trying IMO

Jesica

well, a lot of us are alpha/beta players that have already planned a route to 60, with lots of stops on the way for gear farms. and because we already know where stuff drops and where to go to kill AND we already know the layout of the game / zones / mechanics--we have an amazing advantage over people that dont know any of those things and are experiencing the game for the first time.

classic everquest in 1999 was the same way. people that were in the alpha/beta were literally at level cap (level 20 when it released) within a few days. and were able to push to 50 without much trouble since they already had a very good understanding of the game / world / mechanics.

TTK is not the only factor in being able to level. its going to slow down A LOT for people that are having to compete at certain areas too. the benefit to leveling quickly out the gate is my (our) groups dont have any competition for zones, mobs, items, etc. every place we have gone to we are the only ones there.

the leveling will slow down immensely once you have to actually compete.

Kinyoshi

Nah no proof, did you see the people trying to play for 24 hours and check if they poopsocked? Worse they would just make it an awful grind for everyone else but the level 40s don't have to deal with the worsened grind. If anything the game should be less grindy and more skill based stuff for max levels.

Gummy

Fell i think the reason all those players are 43+ already in less than 5 days is because they all have rangers in their group. Our group doesn't have a ranger and we just hit 41 after a week

RogerDabbit

Jesica this is all great insight I think.

Do you feel cheated out of your experience with the game with the pace you're progressing? I'm genuinely asking.

If that leveling speed requires this many things to go right (no competition, statics and months of beta pre-planning), then is that really an issue? At this point, the next time that situation is possible will be after the population has matured and most of the folks still around are at or near max level already. The most likely scenario for this is a max level player leveling an alt- by that time, they have the experience and the resources to speedrun it. They will also have far less camp competition until they near level cap.

And furthermore: do you think that top-end speed should be reduced exclusively (if you feel it's too fast), or should that reduction trickle down through every other player type?

Jesica

RogerDabbit personally; i think this is the closest thing to classic everquest in terms of leveling, progression, zones, etc. i dont feel cheated in any way; because to me--i dont think it should take a month+ to get to level 60. being max level doesnt really do anything for you if youre not committed to doing end game raid content with a guild. otherwise congrats youre max level and you get to play discord and the forums end game. certainly people play these types of games for many reasons; so im sure being able to tradeskill and farm at 60 is why most people push for that level specifically. but gatekeeping progression simply because "it should take longer" isnt really good design for me. this type of game already offers so much (leveling other classes, doing tradeskills, quests, making friends, etc) that the leveling process shouldnt take forever.

i totally think you should casually be able to reach max level without needing to sink multiple months into playing (but i get that most people here dont agree with that).

as far as the exp curve 50+, im not sure yet since we're all in the 40s. its entirely possible they changed the exp curve at 50+ and itll take far longer than it did in alpha/beta. but currently the level 39 hell level took 6ish hours for us (and i remember it being far worse in alpha/beta) so who knows.

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