Cleric Deep Dive Discussion!

Tsunamisan

I think the cleric needs a "Repel the dead" type aura. Walk next to a roaming undead and they think twice if they should walk away or attack you once they enter the area radius.

Undead only damage shield greater than druid and ELE versions but only against undead!

I didn't see much CC. Having a undead mez would be good. We have the stun but it didn't say how long it lasted.

Escape spells Devin aegis is nice. But it should also grant run speed so yo can use it to escape. Not just creep your way out of a dungeon. At 15 sec it might be fine for the first tier and used in wynmsbane but as dungeons get bigger it's usefulness will decline drastically if it does not scale.

Razzle

A nice deep dive overall

Sad to see Oath of Protection go.
The consolidated self buff is a very nice feature but the fulfillment proc is still incredibly underwhelming.

Fidric

I also think removing snare dead was a mistake. Since clerics are number punchers snare dead was the only way they could take part in small group play without trying to muscle through it. By kiting undead with a duo or trio. I genuinely don’t see why that was taken away.

Kellindell also using fear undead without snare undead is asking for trouble.

Required combo for a very niche use.

I will not use that fear without a snare now

It was also fun to focus more on CC when fighting undead as a alt playstyle.

I was hoping we would get a higher tier snare undead like 50%

Or a combined PBAOE snare and fear undead as a classic 'turn undead'.

sumofunk

As I read the changes and some of the replies here, I think overall I like the update (haven't tested yet but i see the potential), but I'm concerned about Oath of Freedom being removed...

I get where the change to remove oath of protection in favor of blessed barrier, blessing of devotion, inhibit pain, etc. But in terms of trying to keep clerics unique and reduce redundancy, I think removing oath of freedom is a mistake-- that one really sets a cleric apart, and is very useful. At the same time, Healing Light seems redundant with the new Circle of Healing...

Even though it's cool we can summon hammers, I think it will be moot compared to real gear, and I like the idea of choosing to use a variety of gear instead of a basic summoned hammer. Personally I also like the idea of two-handed maces. Maybe tweak the hammer summoning a bit... moving away from an item, and maybe more toward a buff. What about blessing a teammate for a short duration that allows them to proc a small shield on-hit, for example?

Overall excited to test the changes. Will post more feedback after testing 🙂

Tsunamisan

Fidric
Ya maybe the cleric Fear should be both. They get snared so they don't run as far and can then be used as a CC. The way fear is now it would just print away an pull the next 5 rooms making it useless.

Fidric

Des +1 cleric hp buff(s) don't meaningfully contribute to either increasing kill speed, passively helping mitigation or reducing downtime either in group or as a flyby buff... They just shift it with no net gain and pale to other healer hp regen effects or offensive buff contributions (or in combat effects of SoW for both speed and mitigation).

Cough like say my long duration refreshing barrier over time regen buff suggestion as a mirror would do. And a smite weapon proc imbue to ally weapons. Etc

If cleric was a spice it would be Flour.

Kors

I am not seeing the reason why a group would choose a cleric over an equal level/gear shaman. Shaman buffs are better, their damage is better they can invis and ivu and their debuffs are better. They could be nerfing shamans and we just dont know it yet but even then why cleric over druid?

They would need to make mobs and camps significantly harder than it is now to make cleric the choice because of its strong healing and survivability.

Fidric

How will a cleric's undead only nuking capacity compare to an all target (autumn/winter) druid cold nuking in damage and sustain?

Or an all target damage over time Shaman?

I wont even ask about a cleric's non medding melee damage (with or without conjured hammer) which doesn't even trigger any utility either.

At least you have told no one what blessed trait or holy strike's wrath do so who knows.

I look back at cleric page preview of

Unique utility that separates them from other healers

And laugh (they lost that)

I will wait for shaman deep dive now (rip wolf)

Also see how butchered paladin feels when it detaches from cleric.

I feel like bard can only go up from rock bottom but I may be surprised there too.

Tranexamic

[unknown] Healing doesn't start to scale until your wisdom is above 100. Below is some healing data that I cataloged after the wisdom damage scaling change.

Spell Wisdom Base Heal Mana Landed Heal Multiplier Healing/Mana Heal per WIS*
Greater Heal 198 278 170 553 1.989× 3.25 1.39
Exceptional Heal 198 470 260 935 1.989× 3.60 2.35
Impart Sanctity 198 1,800 800 3,582 1.990× 4.48 9.00
Impart Sanctity 200 1,800 800 3,600 2.000× 4.50 9.00

Tsunamisan

Fidric
Honestly I think Play will be fine. Prolly loose the spell book like BST an go fully martial abilities though. Only played a paly to 10 but it seamed like if my swings procced the abilities rather than spell casting it would be much better and that seam to be the direction they are going.

merchant

I feel like delayed heals are never going to be mem'd unless either a) they have some kind of mana efficiency or threat generation benefit or b) encounters are specifically designed to telegraph incoming big damage on the tank.

Zaroua

A Cleric without an Enchanter to buff and debuff will probably feel really bad to play compared to Druids and Shamans. Clerics provide no meaningful party DPS compared to the other two healers (Druids can Charm and nuke, Shamans can slap on STR/DEX and whack stuff). Clerics provide no meaningful DPS buffs. Clerics provide no meaningful way to mitigate damage (Shamans can Slow/Enfeeble). With this design, Cleric healing numbers would need to dwarf out Druid/Shaman healing numbers to make them feel on par. But that then causes all kinds of problem for any kind of end game balancing. And as others pointed out, these changes also affect small group play since they can no longer provide a meaningful contribution other than raw healing.

Also, make Blocked hits not break concentration.

Fidric

Patch is live.

Spellbooks scrambled

No gold

No reduced price spell.

From looking at values on vendor they are terrible with butchered spell progression

(Stun at 12? Blind at 16? Really?)

Prayer mana scaling is bad

Still no info on mystery blessed trait (not visible)

A big oof all around even when looking in game.

Cleric shelved.

You dont get the new hp buff low health proc until 24 and it's BAD and level capped too

E.g. Lvl 24 spell +50 hp. 40 mins. Does not say what % low health trigger is. Heals for 188 and bless fades. Only works on level 14+ players. Costs a reagant. 75c a cast, stacks to 100 in one slot. Small item. So x100 stack costs 75 silver.

Higher tier reagents cost 2s each and 4s each

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Can we PLEASE get some money for the spells we had to rebuy?

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merchant Sorry, but the delay heals are my main heal. They have been and will continue to be. Better mana to heal ratio, and it doesn't take much to figure out how to use them well either. Barrier can save the tank if something is hurting them THAT badly before it goes off.

Tranexamic

[unknown] delayed heals and barrier are the only things I use at level 60

Fidric

so the holy strike 'wrath' is an extra holy dmg proc.

no info on chance or scaling from holy wrath tooltip.

naked at 37 proc doing 188 extra holy (versus 45 so regular holy strike)

has a cool lightning from sky visual effect

I'm naked cos all my wis gear went to shaman/paladin

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[unknown] Is that with the summoned hammer or the spell/skill?

NotFlourishing

Fidric I was pretty confident that Cleric would be hard to mess up, but uhh... here we are, I guess.

Losing Oath of Protection is genuinely flabbergasting. Who cares if a class has more unique spells or skills that set it apart and make it worth slotting into your group? They were already performing well below the level of a Druid, and even compared to Shaman are hard to take due to the difference in buffs and debuffs they bring to the table. Losing this basically ensures that Clerics don't perform anywhere near the level of either of the other healers.

Yes, they got a new HP buff line, woohoo... and an AoE group-wide heal that everyone asked for that is largely unnecessary... but how do you compare that to still extremely capable healing/Mana efficiency and WAY better buffs and dps? You can't.

I am becoming increasingly less impressed and more worried with each patch. With EA around the corner and classes being put into the grinder the way they are (especially without proper balance), this does not bode well. Changes are going to be made to the classes once EA hits, which are effectively live servers at that point - it is permanent and you have to pay to play at that point... People aren't gunna stick around when they level a class and it gets changed so much it is not recognizable or it gets nerfed into the ground such that they no longer want to play the class they once loved, they are just gunna leave.

Fidric

New cleric spell icons are same reaction I had for druids. Visually less distinct / readable in terms of colour detail and colour contrast etc and harder to see active cd. I preferred the older and visually cleaner ones.

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