Pet classes replacing Tank classes

Metavahn

How long will the playerbase keep that under wraps? no tank? no problem have the skeleton or white blob tank better than the tank player with less damage taken, and with the ability to equip powerful weapons and scale

Sorry devs but you should of seen this already and reacted, playerbase has been keeping it secret or just not exposing the issue but anyone who plays the game can see it already happen non stop in groups

Velthorian

if you make pets any weaker, they will get demolished by the content. perhaps this needs a solution, but the solution does not involve nerfing pet classes. Perhaps make tanks better, instead of taking away from something that is barely getting the job done elsewhere.

Viyro

Velthorian

Biggest problem is mostly necro pets, and earth pet.

Yes buff tanks (AC, possibly Parry/Dodge caps), but those 2 specifically do need nerfed.

navyrob

Isnt this because melee take some time to gear up where as pets are already full power? After some time gearing up melee start out performing the pets, at least thats how it normally goes when a new level cap expansion gets released in EQ...

Sif

Just curious what levels everyone is experiencing this at? Early on I could see it, but recently in the late teens early 20s I had a group try it and it was pretty sketchy. Soon as we found a tank rep we were good to go.

Velthorian

Viyro grass is always greener brother. roll a pet class to see the other side eh.

Fell

Velthorian if you make pets any weaker, they will get demolished by the content.

This is true only if pet classes are fighting mobs at too high a con. Soloing mobs at or just below your level is something for level 10s to do, not level 30-60s. Pets can be made substantially weaker and still allowing soloing of low blues.

Velthorian Perhaps make tanks better,

Already mobs hit tanks like wet noodles, I just spent an evening chain-pulling mobs 2 levels lower to 1 level higher than our tank. The cleric never dropped below 90% after the inital break, even though I didn't slow a single mob. Why bother, when it isn't necessary?

Fell

Sif Just curious what levels everyone is experiencing this at? Early on I could see it, but recently in the late teens early 20s I had a group try it and it was pretty sketchy.

I've seen it many times. Most recently in an all-pet group (save myself) that not only lacked a tank, but a healer as well, against L45-48 GF undead. Lacking a healer is much more rare, but I can't even begin to count the number of times our group's tank has gone afk and we just turned on pet taunt and kept going.

Gerold

I know the solution, find a spell line to nerf on the enchanter.

NarcolepticLTD

Gerold I know the solution, find a spell line to nerf on the enchanter.

HOLD MY BEER....

Spellweaver

And not a charmed mob tanking in sight. As far as the eye can see. This is probably the best thing for Charm to be broken right now. People can't blame everything on it and realize no one needs it to race to 60. That all of the hyperbole feedback was just fear-based slop while Devs glued themselves to their DPS meter.

Peaches

People calling for pets to be nerfed meanwhile the reddit mnm forums has 2 different topics on tanks not knowing to train parry/dodge. Attempting to judge pets against poorly geared players and tanks who go 45 levels without training all their defensives is comical. The level 45 SK who made the original post barely had more AC than my cloth armor and didnt have dodge/parry trained but sure its pets.

Viyro

navyrob

Yes and no, they are out-tanking geared tanks @ 60 currently.

(For anyone reading, specifically necro pet and earth pet)

Viyro

Velthorian

Been 60 for awhile friend, group with 60 pal, and 60 ele. I am healing them. I have direct comparisons.

Greywulf

Viyro Man, I am sick of the whiners crying nerf nerf every time we turn around. Necros are a good solo class and if they have a good tank pet so be it. How does that hurt a tank from grouping? Y'all will cry about anything.

Greywulf

Peaches This exactly. They sweat to 60 and suck because they have not trained skills to match their level. Then they cry about pets? It's what you get for no lifeing a game. Go touch grass and come back when real geared tanks catch up.

Velthorian

Viyro awhile eh? like 3 days?

Peaches

Greywulf There were also changes towards the end of beta that made tanking significantly worse among all classes people should really go back through patches and read. AC was adjusted across the board to be "more meaningful" as its obtained and mob damage was increased to compensate for this change. Effectively nuking survivability for non tank melee classes and putting a much heavier weight on secondary tank stats. There is additional threads where Panda a lvl 60sk who played on beta for an extended period of time expressed concern after these changes as his survivability dropped after this change and was basically told by devs that he geared wrong for not having more agility something new tanks arnt going to know. The tank survivability issue goes far beyond tanks vs pets.

This change made tanking at lower levels of gear substantially worse due to the overall mob damage increase than it originally was and require much more optimization on the top end.

Greywulf

Peaches They have made a lot of changes that made things "significantly worse" I just hope they turn things around.

PhantomGhost

Fell

I was invited to a mostly pet undead group in GF, had a tank to pull agro off puller, but pets tanked... It was my least favorite group I've had yet, very inefficient too compared to a normal tank/spank setup.

No mana regen so being dependent on necro/BST mana to keep pets healed. (I am BST but if I sit to regen mana, I don't do DPS... Main reason I disliked the setup).

Having to let pets build agro because taking agro from them could be deadly without a healer. Mobs run in and fear or gate, lacking kickers meant when they triple cast gate, they end up gating.

I do think pets can tank well (if they can hold agro) they seem to excel at holding agro on mobs too high for the tank to reliably taunt... But require a lot of healing from owner and designated healer if fighting this deep of a red. Otherwise pet provoke is not the most reliable especially if your CC is an enchanter.