Any chance Wizard will be fixed before EA?

Vinny

Good Afternoon Everyone and M&M Team =D

The current Wizard lacks mana regen, scaling as you get higher levels among other things... is there any chance before EA they will be looked into?

Thank you for your time <3

Onitora

Any chance you could be a bit more specific? I only have a lvl 10 WIZ right now, so just unlocked the mana regen boost ability - so I'm not sure why you say they lack mana regen when they literally get an ability that boosts it (maybe it has more to do with the 'scaling as you get higher levels' that you mentioned next?) What's the scaling issue you're referring to? Just curious to know what I might need to prepare myself for in the future.

Nyx

They do have two abilities to regen mana, Sorcerous Mind and Reclaim mana. But the Wizard still ends up feeling mana starved throughout its adventure and even at max level, especially with more gear as your mana pool becomes larger and these numerical values do not scale off % of your mana but instead are flat numbers.

Vinny

Onitora spell costs do not scale with mana regen spells, at lower levels it works like it should but once you start getting into the higher levels, you still get the same mana cost back but its the lower level spells, now your spells costs are like 200+ mana but only getting very little in return.

So basically if your solo'ing every 2 to 3 mobs depending the level, i usually go for the blue level mobs, your waiting around 7 minutes or more until your full mana again to start killing. there is no drinking water to get back mana, only your 2 spells plus your normal mana regen while sitting, at level 10 wizzie feels good but after 12 and up, your spell costs tripple but only get a fraction back on your spells sadly.

hope this helps

LunarHavoc

Onitora

Sorcerous Mind, Reclaim Mana, and Arcane Invocation are mana regen and all based on flat values rather than a % of max mana, so they fall off as your mana pool gets really bloated & spell mana costs get exponentially higher at high levels (starts to hurt mid 30s).

Onitora

Ah, OK. I see now what the OP was referring to. Thanks for the replies! That is something that probably would benefit from a % value instead of a flat value in those mana regen and mana reclaim instances.

Nyx

They have lots of feedback in the discord about either potential changes to the mechanics or simple ways they could adjust the CD on reclaim or the mana regen value on sorcerous mind if they want to go those routes to avoid lots of redesign. But overall the class feels very mana starved for its entire adventure path from 1-60 and that never truly goes away. Which leaves players feeling like their DPS is subpar, their apm extremely low (for better or worse in some peoples minds), and overall feeling like the class is all glass and no cannon.

I would like to add that I think they can change it, but its probably not as high of a priority as the other reworks which is why my feedback would be to double the mana regen rate of sorcerous mind. Changing that one number and give them more mana and retune it when the balancing occurs if needed. Instead of reworking the entire mechanic. They can leave reclaim on 30s CD or take it off CD like it was before. I think doing both of those would probably make the wizard feel great again.

Blastermaster

I put some ideas on the Wizard Deep Dive Discussion thread. Wiz is painful to play atm.

tummystix

If you don't know how powerful wizards are right now compared to other classes...

Ernst

Anyone have experience leveling a wiz in classic EQ and can compare it to current MnM wiz? EQ wiz had a lot of downtime but I didn’t mind it too much, just curious if it’s similar, better or worse right now.

Brightforge

Played a wizard in EQ through Kunark. It’s much busier here in M&M. The marks of mana and reclaim mechanic make it so.

I remember feeling mana starved in EQ. Less so here.

I don’t know if there is more utility, but they have developed the game so that spells like “sense magic“ and “see invisibility“ are more meaningful.

They have also put more thought into the system. Case in point: “sorceress mind” combines mana regeneration, see invisibility, and sense magic. Another example is the spell line that reduces the casting speed of MOBs it hits, giving wizards somewhat of a debuff that fits the class.

Phuture

Here is my idea, but wizards need more than just this.

Change kill-nuke talent to guarantee a mana reward of, arbitrarily 200%, 250%, mana cost of spell.

Give Wizards another line of nukes, make them very mana inefficient, but bigger damage than anything they have. make this the closer nuke. if they land it, it isnt mana inefficient at all, and is a bigger windfall back of mana because of the high cost.

This would increase their effective dps in fights in a logical way that is consistent with wizard identity (big hp chunk dmg). This would alleviate mana issues to a degree, especially in groups. This would reward an active playstyle and help make the class fun and give the wizard players the big numbers they want.

One big current problem is the wizard as a chunk dmg dealer does not really participate in the first 20% of the fight. Their predicted-dps doesnt really mean anything. It is a near useless calculation at the moment. Their real dps is how many nukes they have time to cast in the 80% of mob hp they are active, or how many they can afford to cast due to mana, divided by fight time. This gives them a really low actual dps value.

Giving them a big closer nuke that windfalls mana back would be a great risk/reward move to help.

Velthorian

it's not that complicated. Parse a Monk, parse a rogue, in typical group combat for a couple hours. Adjust whatever the hell you need to, to bring wizards within 20% of that number. They don't need to do as much sustained DPS since they have more burst as utility, and more utility in general (ports, etc). but it needs to be competitive, and they need reasons to use burst. They need to be the highest short term DPS in the game. That was the vision anyways, unfortunately the game does not reward Burst behavior. No solid group "needs" burst damage, they "need" sustained dps. This is why that class falls behind, there is not use case for their primary strength... wizards designed as glass cannon's and "oh shit buttons" "Keel it now" except that utility is niche and unnecessary . Flawed from the start.

Waffle_Goblin

[unknown] - If they give us back mana-free spam spells that gets largely fixed, IMO. I was thinking last night that I have 0 reason to play a Wizard over a Rogue at this point aside from maybe the ability to quad later on the Wizard, which I hate doing.

Pajamajam

What level are you? I just want to know for context and how much int?

Mesh

Waffle_Goblin

This is the real solution.

The Volley spells should be a no mana cost channeled autoattack equivalent for Wizard that enables standing meditation. That way you can sustain some DPS while meditating and use mana strategically for CC/burst.

Wizards are never going to be a desirable group class so long as the design requires them to meditate through 75% of every pull. Any AFK melee class autoattacking a mob will outdamage a Wizard.

Tpoon

I always thought it would be cool to have a free mana ability that can proc mana regen/get a higher rate of mana regen than standing. That way you can choose to stay in combat and be rewarded for doing so. I've never played a Wizard, but for a dps class they're doing nothing 95% of the time but sitting.

Waffle_Goblin

Tpoon - Arcane barrage spells technically give us mana because we can use Reclaim Mana due to their stacks. So if Barrage spells are free, we can actually regain mana that way.

Mesh

Waffle_Goblin
If the Volley spells were free and enabled standing meditation the whole Reclaim mechanic could go away.

SyntaxOmitted

They've been pretty quiet on Wizard since the rework launch. I'm not super hopeful we'll see any improvements until after EA launch at this point.

It feels like we're worse off than before the rework, to be honest. Feels less efficient, feels like even less sustained DPS than before (which was what the community was asking for, just to be able to do more sustained DPS than tanks). From the sounds of it, these issues get better or worse depending on your level range, but they are still issues.