Inquisitor revamp discussion

snagason

Haven't played much yet. I think the only thing I am really gonna miss is kick cause the bash is 15 sec recast instead of 10 which might force me to spare a slot for silence. Everything else seems really good. Haste Aura, Rune that slows, redistributed mana drain that costs nothing if it lands, improved strikes. Haven't tested mezzes yet but it looks mostly unchanged unless you used the longer one. Dps still very low though, not sure how that fits with the vision that every class should be able to solo some light blues. I doubt this dps is enough even for that, not that I would ever do such a thing.

Raybane

Only strange thing I noticed was that the Ward spell have 1.5 seconds cast time when they usually are instant. It will be painful to channel that if you have more then one enemy beating on you.

ClassyCat

Tried using Psychic Choke a few times and it didn't do anything, just channeled for like half a second and then stopped.

snagason

Scintillations has no effect. not sure if it's a bug or what?
Edit. Tried again a few minutes later and it worked on a scarab in SGS .

Zee

Broken spells aside, I like the changes.

Zaroua

These changes fix one of the main issues Inquisitors had before: too many different spell effects that you wanted to keep on your bar at any given time. Taunt, your two melee attacks, Magic Break, Mez and AoE stun. Rest of the slots were either Kick, Silence, Choke. Not a lot of wiggle room to slot in cast speed slow, mana burn, and whatever else.

If the mana scaling was changed to be not as harsh, then the class may very well be the best designed one in the current state of the game.

Bais

Ward of suspicion/accusation numbers seem really bad to anyone else? My Inq is only level 25, but 50 mana (which, with fighting mana regen and plundering every cooldown with no resists is _once per 40 seconds if I do nothing else with my mana) for 60 damage (like 1-2 hits) is a terrible tradeoff. The 12% slow might make one more attack over the 15 seconds it lasts? I can't imagine using up a slot on my bar or spending the mana for this. Also, the lower level version is 25 damage/20 mana (25/20=1.25 damage per mana vs 60/50=1.2 for the second rank), so it's actually getting worse as it ranks up?

It also seems like taking out kick for a shield-only interrupt leaves us in a tough spot. We're the anti-caster tank who can't interrupt on a CR when everyone else can. Why not just make them share a cooldown?

Kellindell

What is the inquisitors "mechanic?" Everyone but inq and shaman were granted a mechanic. Fighters got veng, druids got seasons, BMs got different pet types and classes and auras. Wizards got research and runes. Rogues got their poisons etc.... Why do these two reworks lack a mechanic?

Raybane

Bais The Ward seems to be a pure soloing spell. The mana inefficiency and casting time makes it rather bad for groups. It's OK for solo though.

Ahkilles

Overall, besides the buggy spells like choke and pbaoe stun, the changes are good.
I do think the numbers/cooldown of the new mana drain/distribution to your party need to be tweeked.
It kinda seems pointless to use every 1 minute as its a barely noticeable amount of mana going to your party.
Having a cast time on your personal shield seems a bit strange. Gonna be hard to get off if you're fights 2-3 mobs. Probably won't get it off at all in pvp situations. That being instant would be nice.
Other then that, i really like all the changes.

Xilith

Ahkilles

Odd those were buggy for you, since they weren't touched. Must be something else going on with it.

Zaroua

Xilith
Enchanter version of the pbaoe stun worked fine, used it for a few hours in Tel Ekir just fine.

Kellindell
Why would Inquisitors need a gimmick? Trying to force that kind of stuff on a class that already has so much going for it is unnecessary.

snagason

Ok I played all night. Here's what feels good and what feels bad: ( level 60 with mostly bis non raid gear )

On the positive side:

Haste aura is cool to have and does not require mana or buffing time that's great.
Mez casts extremely fast, We definitely have gotten a lot better in the CC department which is pretty good for groupability.
The rune / slow is a very cool addition to the class. I only used the lowest level one though cause the mana cost for anything else is just prohibitive in a chain pulling group setting.

On the negative side:

I don't know if it's intended to be that harsh but the AE stun is borderline useless, not only for us but for enchanters too. I tried casting it on a couple SGS scarabs at first and nothing happened. I thought the effect was completely broken and submitted a bug report, actually it was just resists. It still works about 25-30 % of the time I reckon. You'll mostly stun those that are already mezzed, rarely the ones you're tanking, and the stun rarely lasts its full duration.
The Redistributed mana drain is wonderful but the recast forces you to use Manaburn if you want to drain a mob fully and manaburn absolutely sucks. the drain is anemic and the damage too. As for the redistributed mana you get back to the group it is anectodic at best in all but the most caster heavy situations and the loss of the old mana regen aura stings all the more for it. Please let us spam this. Don't force us to spend a spell slot on both this and manaburn it's ridiculous.
Apparently force choke is straight up broken and doesnt work anymore.
Overall, I felt much weaker fighting spellcasters than before the revamp. The loss of stun, force choke and kick for reliable interrups is a huge blow to our caster control capabilities and to our mana sustain. Silence and the bash just do not compare favorably.
I have Festerclasp and the 20% worn haste shield. I should be able to keep aggro against everything without using mana, but tonight I absolutely could not, to the point that trying to use the rune / slow failed half the time cause I could not keep a mob on me long enough to blow my low level rune before its fading time. Please we need a better taunt or just raise the threat of autoattack but this feels terrible. I was out taunted by a mage pet, a necro pet, a monk, and a chanter charmed pet... everyone of these could rip aggro from me before my taunt came up. I don't care one bit for damage but we really need an upgrade in the threat department.

MikeXG

Have not had a chance to play post Patch, hoping to get on tonight and test out but I am also only level 14 on inquisitor. Given that a lot of the abilities are broken and not working correctly it may be hard to tell, but how is our DMG now compared to before? Has anyone used that bash to interrupt a big nuke and just obliterate the caster with the dmg portion? I like that the haste aura is primary but has a secondary component should you be grouped with someone who has Haste - what are the Haste % of the aura primary/secondary? Does the ward finally make it so we can sorta kinda solo? Obviously Inquis is not a solo class, but being able to solo if you have a short play session or are working on a quest or are looking for a group and want to do something other than just sit there is hopefully viable?

Thanks all who have posted useful info and feedback, hoping to get in there and test stuff myself soon!

Sintz

snagason My Inq has been 60 for a while and I came back to check out the changes. I have huge aggro issues while grouping with a decked out rogue dpsing. It takes half my manabar on 1 mob to keep it off him. We were joking last night how I cant hold aggro anymore with the changes and I was trying everything. Even using taunt then using the 2 mana free abilities the aggro gets ripped off in seconds. So the rogue has to tank every mob until taunt is up again or I spend most my mana using threat increasse dd's between these abilities. Its not sustainable anymore,

Arkamedeez

Sintz I have huge aggro issues while grouping with a decked out rogue dpsing. It takes half my manabar on 1 mob to keep it off him. We were joking last night how I cant hold aggro anymore with the changes and I was trying everything.

Since you don't mention it, was the rogue using his Evade ability to decrease his threat?

Mesh

snagason

Please let us spam [Pillage Mana].

This. The cooldown on Pillage Mana is way too long and the cost of Mana Burn is way too high.

Even though there are some problems/bugs, the general direction of the rework is good IMO.

Consolidating a bunch of abilities, access to a melee slow and a group mana return are all excellent.

The mechanics and bugs just need to be smoothed out and tuned better. I'm a believer!

Raven

Monk, SK, Paladin and INQ were the classes I'm planning to play in EA. Monk changes were good loved them. Inquisitor changes.. well, I know I won't be playing this class in EA haha.

It's not that the change is bad, it's just confirming that this class play-style is not for me. Now I'll wait for the Paladin and SK to decide which class I will main in EA.

Raybane

Mesh That would go a long way towards making Inq good against caster mobs instead of just worse against non-caster mobs.

ClassyCat

Mostly just need some numbers tweaks.

Pillage Mana spell line cooldown is a bit high and impact a bit low.
Reflecting Bash triggering mGCD makes using other melee abilities feel worse since it might not be available when needed. Being punished with not only less AC but also losing an interrupt makes wearing a shield seem too mandatory.
Silence could stand to have a lower cooldown and/or a slightly longer duration.
IDK why Interdiction line needs a cooldown.
Distress line is too expensive to use on every mob, especially if it's resisted at all. It should cost less mana and be more difficult to resist. Lower the damage or add a cooldown if dps/dpm becomes a concern.
Ward of Suspicion line shield often doesn't break to even trigger the slow in my experience (unless I downrank it). It needs either a longer duration or a lower threshold. Also, the mana cost sucks for how weak and short duration the slow is when it does trigger. Pretty much the only use for this spell currently is to buy time for a promise or pact heal.
Psychic Choke still doesn't work.

Can't think of any other issues right now. I'm pretty happy with the rest of it.