Elementalist Deep Dive Discussion

saephellar

JD_Nonstop yup exactly it feels bad because now all you're doing is spamming elemental bolt casting this burst and as you know you can't get hit while casting spells or you won't finish the cast so if you're getting hit now as an elementalist you don't have an option anymore. before you had a filler instant ogcd to instantly attack the enemy it was good for some little kiting too. now it just focuses on buffing your pet and let it doing the work its so boring. It's powerful yeah and great for solo but not fun. I originally thought elementalist was gonna be about harnessing the 4 elements of air, water, earth and fire. This sounds cool and I thought the gameplay would be more fun but nope its literally a 1 button rotation and so boring now. I'm worried for the necro and Shadow knight reworks now. Clearly whoever was in charge of reworking the classes originally did a much better job I don't even think the one who did the rework this time even plays an elementalist or hardly does.

Zaroua

Velthorian Pet armor

Should be epic quests or AAs. Seeing big elementals wearing thematic armour would be cool as hell. Seeing elementals wearing the same gear as players do would be lame as hell.

Sinmage

This is coming from a level 60 Elementalist with 202 int who played a magician in EQ. Some of the QOL changes are good but overall the class is decimated in my opinion. We are now pet supports with no variety or ability to nuke AT ALL. If you think ONE spell that hits for 395 damage is sufficient for a caster class, well I don't think you've experienced or play many caster classes on mmos or most video games. Not a single game in my 30 years of gaming did I ever have such weak spell options, even a CASTER pet class.

This would be equivalent to stripping beastlords of melee ability.

At times your spell only hits it once for 395(202int), has to do with the pets engagement or something..If you are engaged it will do 790 damage. The pet attack with the buff up will do 508 dmg.. You have double the chance to be resisted as each of the 2 strikes of your main spell have a chance to be resisted.

I lost the ability to nuke for 1874(5.5 second cast) and 490dmg x 4 with Vortex of Fire combination with air pet and blast of fire...We have no area of effects spells, we don't have any real spell casting outside of pet support. If somehow a 30% haste buff offsets 1875 dmg nuke to keep this class fun and worthwhile, yeah I don't know..

Our pets get DELETED in high end content, Fallen Watch for example. Once our pets are dead we are rendered useless. What value does an Elementalist bring to a raid party? What value do we bring a normal party, I can heal only my pet, I am not an efficient dpser. I am not a support class. What is my identity? Everything I can do for my pet, other classes can outshine me and benefit the overall group. Im suppose to now keep a 5 minute self buff up constantly in the event my pet dies. I went into fallen watch In 30 minutes I resummoned my pet 9 times.

What fun is it to sit and buff my pet and wait for it to need a heal. I can play a beastlord, who is better at pvp, has more options, has pets with more options, can deal good dps.

The upgraded heal was a no brainer, the pets overall are lacking in health and feel weak. Leaving us with a level 36 heal made no sense.

Is the game design to be a 1 button rotation game? One play style per class? Where's the variety? I thought Nuke/blast was limited, then we lost those. I don't even use my pets ability waste of mana, may as well let him dish out 500 dmg naturally and save myself the downtime.

I wanted to experience level 60 elementalist before EA to see if it felt overall good. It definitely felt a lot better than this. Probably wont be rolling elementalist. it would be nice to have a clear understanding on the vision on some of these classes so we can somewhat anticipate what the end result will be so we don't invest time and energy into building something we can't enjoy in the end.

Elementalist should be renamed to Summoner and redefined as a pet support class(self pet because you cant even heal other elementalists pets). Mind you, healing classes have higher burst damage now.

PvP - One of the worst classes to pvp with now, your pet gets CC it's good game.

Sinmage

Pocah 200 int is pretty much double base damage. So not very great, as 200int is pushing bis outside of raid gear.

Sinmage

Pocah Pet melee damage maxes out at 68 at 60.

Sinmage

Velthorian Clearly you are low level and enjoy a high TTK and a lot of downtime for mana in between. This strategy falls off and becomes completely unreliable in higher levels where mobs hit for 10% of the pets health per hit. Where your spells drain your mana and your pet resummon costs 660 mana at 60, which is 22%(assuming 200 int, 3200ish mana)of your entire mana pool. Twinking doesn't automatically boost your mana to make your mana pool endless even at lower/mid levels. Stats scale at lower levels differently. I suppose you can use the new spell to conserve mana to resummon but does not change the fact you will run out of mana with your spell rotation regardless and have zero room for error. Your resummoned pet will lack 43% haste and damage shield or any group buffs, which will also drain your mana faster.

Earth pet can easily tank 2 yellow cons? Think we are playing two different games. Try soloing with Earth pet at higher levels when mobs have high hit point pools, you will be out of mana before you kill some dark blues. I understand you're low level but unless you intend to be a expert giant rat slayer at the gates of town and remain there. I would not make claims such as yours that the class is in a great position based on your current playstyle.

Tsunamisan

Velthorian 33C for malachite Play a Deep elf it's 88c down there.

Mesh

Sinmage
This was one of my concerns when I first saw the notes.

Having a way to scale the pet is a fantastic step in the right direction IMO but why does it only scale ability damage when the majority of the pets DPS is autoattacks? Also doesn't scale pet durability in any way.

It's a good start but pet scaling mechanics should be comprehensive rather than only scaling one part of the pet.

Rougar0u

Feels pretty bad, starts strong and then by 16 it falls off. Scaling isn't great.

Kirrund

Sinmage Pet melee damage maxes out at 70 for Elementalist. 74 if the archer debuff exposing shot is applied to the enemy.

Sinmage

Kirrund Not sure about buffs/debuffs but im talking about elementalist. Buffing pet with buffs we have/get, I dont see any melee hits above 68 at all. I'm not posting about possibilities with other classes buffing, debuffing to increase damage. As the conversation is about elementalist and what we can do, we cant increase our pets damage beyond 68 that I see.

Also not sure if this is a visual glitch but do summoned weapons on pet disappear now? Is this intentional?

Kirrund

Sinmage As the conversation is about elementalist, and how they scale, their pet scales off strength. You said their pet max hit is 68. Their max hit is 70. The max hit an elementalist can get to with its own buffs is 68, but that is not their pet's max hit. It is important to be very precise, because in the past, there have been quite a lot of rumors/myths/misinformation about the elementalist pets hitting for far higher than they actually can, which leads to other classes/players/lack of knowledge calling for nerfs.

Sinmage

Kirrund Everything in my posts and feedback is specific to within the elementalist class abilities. Not outside influences and things an elementalist cant depend on. Technically with your logic one can say with enchanter int buff you can do a little more damage with spells. But that is not the conversation. I don't base a class on what other classes can help achieve, that would become an endless argument. "Earth pet will never die with cleric healing and you wont go out of mana as youre not burning it on heals anymore" " Air pet lasts longer because you have a full group and a proper tank holding aggro" " Damage shield on mobs dont matter if theyre purge so my pet doesn't kill itself on damage shield alone."

Sweeb

feels bad when im sitting down and have to stand up and wave my arms to make elementbro do his job.

eldub

companion strike while sitting would be a big help

Velthorian

they are on 20c in NH, i think DE prices where/are bugged, won't stay that way for long.

Velthorian

saephellar in reality, the new shielding snares anything that touches you, so for example if i pulled a 3 pack, i would sick pet on one monster, and let 2 others hit me once, then kite them in a circle around my pet, while using instant cast Companion strike on pets primary target. sneaking in elemental blast when i can get some distance, sneaking in bind wounds as needed, when primary target is down, make a choice to either sick pet on both and grab aggro, or have pet fight one while you continue kiting the 2nd.

Velthorian

Sinmage game has not had "balance" pass yet. your being a bit melodramatic over something a few lines in a spread sheet can fix...

COTH
More Diverse Damage shields (short duration, high damage)
An AOE line
A swarm pet
Some minor improvements to Elemental blast / add a 3rd hit, increase damage, etc, not hard to fix. having multiple resist checks is not a bad thing, sucks to get full resist on a big expensive spell, multiple resist checks allow for partials.

All this take like 10 minutes to implement, and most of your concerns are gone.

Sinmage

[unknown] [unknown] Believe you are missing the point, as it was limited and lacking prior and it went the complete opposite direction. Its not a matter of a few small changes, its the direction and vision they are headed down.

Whoever is designing these classes may have a different idea of what they should be, hence why I said that should be shared beforehand even if the class still has work and isn't there yet. Clearly our expectations are not that of the developers ideas.

I hadn't even touched onto "Balance" aspect of the game. Because as someone who plays on PvP as a Elementalist main, balance is definitely not something they're considering when making these changes.

Also snare shield existed prior to this update via water shield, its helpful but most mobs now have increased move speed and/or cast sow so it doesnt really work out well in the end. Kiting doesnt also work out well when you have no nukes to cast.

Velthorian

Sinmage CC has never been a mage/magician/elementalist thing. Doubt that will change. Giving us pet snare and chill is already more then EQ had. I do hope for more abilities, and some AOE at some point. The example i gave was just "using the tools you have"

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