Elementalist Deep Dive Discussion

Kirrund

Velthorian Sure, the fire elemental stacking DS may be good in some narrow uses cases leveling up. But that doesn't make it good, and at level 60 it has no use. I promise you will never use it, unless, for some reason, you just have a huge amount of elementalists in a raid. Even though though, it would be better to use a water pet for mana regen.

I am sure the class is quite strong lower levels, but so are many classes, and all that changes at 40+.

Gooooo

After the rework, Elementalist lose their burst ability and got lackluster 2 DD spells. At lvl 59 with 177 int (unbuffed), my companion did 405 (with empowerment up) and Blast did 520 that barely did a dent on mob hp. My default playstyle now after rework is kept empowerment 100% up and give out Bandages or heal pet. Pretty boring class now

Kirrund

Gooooo

After the rework, Elementalist lose their burst ability and got lackluster 2 DD spells. At lvl 59 with 177 int (unbuffed), my companion did 405 (with empowerment up) and Blast did 520 that barely did a dent on mob hp. My default playstyle now after rework is kept empowerment 100% up and give out Bandages or heal pet. Pretty boring class now

Yep, this is exactly what I'm talking about in my writeup above. It's a good first step, but everyone hailing the class as some kind of knock out of the park really must not be asking for much. Certainly, the hard work on what we got is appreciated, so much was left untouched, so much design space still left to explore. And like I said, the matter of the still useless pets.

Gooooo

Kirrund The Int scaling on the new DD spells are just so meh...... with recent changes on mob hps , these spell dont make a dent on lvl 45+ mobs. Either we spam the DD spells or just save the mana for empowerment. I choose empowerment. Not exactly fun , either way.

Slow

Gooooo Kinda my strat now soloing. Not worth it to DD when I can just Heal the pet with Empowerment and band-aid in between. Companion Strike attack scaling off your pets INT is strange, who came up with that idea?

My other concern is watching my water pet take full damage from Ice based magical attacks is also a little strange. Do pets not have innate resist toward their elemental type in this game? I.E Fire elemental pet having high fire resistance making it the premier pet to use VS FIRE damage effects.

Raybane

Slow Elemental pets having some resistance against their own element is a great idea actually as it would improve immersion.

Pocah

[unknown] that 520 for blast total damage or was it 520 + 520? since blast spells double tap. and whats your pet averaging for melee swing at that level? I realize having pet melee spam isnt that exciting but curious how hard pets melee for.

Pocah

Nuke for 520? was that total for double tap for 520 + 520?

Pocah

Cause if double tap nuke total at that high of level is only 520 and not 1k dmg seems weak unless pet regular melee damage is insanely high

Gooooo

Pocah total of 520+ (262 each) at lvl 59 , 177 int unbuffed

Pocah

ewww, pet must must be a beast then to make up for it, dual wield double attacking for crap ton melee dmg

I ran experiment on my baby ELE, only level 14 so must be a massive soft cap on INT. 93pts of INT i removed to get back down to 39 base INT instead of 132, it changed my nuke by 1pt of damage.

Slow

Pocah Seems to not scale very much at all. I noticed the same. So do healers nuke harder than Elementalist now?

Pocah

Im curious how much scaling from people that are in their 50s, if they take off chunks of INT how much change to nuke we get. Think level 60 nuke is base 197? if Gooooo hitting for basically 65pts more dmg with 177 INT... makes me concerned

Velthorian

To add to my previous statements about Aggro Camping, Pet Chaining, i also noticed Reclaim energy is fairly busted on earth pets. Just summon and reclaim over and over, cost 30 mana, return 100+. (25% of earth pets hp). This fits the pet chain playstyle very well, because we don't buff, or equip throwaway earth pets anyways. So you lose "nothing" by reclaiming them over and over.

Name

Only did level 5 just to check out the Deep a bit so no practical feedback but from having the full 1-4 collection and looking ahead at the spells vendor (from memory, not there now), I like the simplicity overall but it looks like later levels are mostly/all stronger versions of the same things? So i.e. nothing really to look forward to or mix it up as you go other than rotating pet types?

Velthorian

Name there are some new capabilities, but most exposed by lvl 20. 16 gets empowerment. This is something MNM lacks in general, for all classes. The entire kit is exposed pretty early. Which is kinda cool that you get to feel like your class, earlier, but I would like to see some new capabilities reserved for 35, 45, 55. EQ did this better. I think it's just "not finished", some ideas for Elementalist that could be exposed at later levels : Call of the Hero, Pet armor, summoned pet belts/mask etc, temporary swarm pets, more diverse damage shields (higher hits, with limited duration, aka 5 hits x 120). This are just some ideas, but "new capability" should be exposed later on, so that players have something to look forward to, not just stronger versions of what they already have.

Bushy

My biggest bit of feedback is that I really like the idea of level scaling pets but in terms of usability we really need to get all 4 pet types at 1 then all 4 upgrades at 16 and so on, not have them staggered like they are now, as it is we get our first air pet at 12 and our upgraded water pet at 16 which pretty much only makes air useful really for 3 maybe 4 levels. We should have all 4 types at once so we can best choose the pet that fits the situation.

Raybane

Bushy What is the problem with using the air pet after level 16? The upgrades are only to allow continued scaling after reaching the limit. The air pet should still be leveling up.

Gooooo

Pocah We have to cast Empowerment every 90s to make up for it. The OH and self heal is nice. Extra int to pet seems don't scale well for companion spell.

Gooooo

Bushy The pet should also lvl up with the character instead of requiring to resummon the pet.

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