Elementalist Deep Dive Discussion

Kirrund

I'd like to point out that Rangers got an increase to their damage shield line, so now Druid, Ele, and Ranger have the best damage shields in the game at 35 per hit.

Esar

And rangers got the Druid/shaman exceptional regeneration buff. lol.

Make it make sense. A dps should not be getting the best regen buff in game

Bais

Kirrund I think the devs were gonna do what they did regardless. They were under a crunch, and 4 elements worth of interesting is a lot to bang out. The timeline they set for the reworks was ambitious, and you can really tell some classes didn't get as coherent or careful treatment as others, and that's fine. They're still all volunteer until Thursday morning, and some patience is in order.

That said, companion strike and element blast feel like some of the least impactful buttons I've ever pressed. And element blast being locked to the pet I have out feels extra bad when I used to at least be able to select the resist I was nuking against. Now I can't even do that- it's all magic 90% of the time because air pet or on a rare lucky session, half magic, half cold.

I was feeling pretty split between the pet classes for my solo character before the deep dives. BM killed all the spiritual flavor of the class and I lost interest. I guess the quasi-shamanic nature of the class was most of the appeal for me there. Ele kept some of the core class fantasy that made me love my (poor, SoE-abused) mage in EQ, but made the utility and elemental class fantasy more stale than at the start of beta. And, yeah, I want my nuke button to have a perceivable impact on healthbars, even if I'm not a wizard.

I guess after today's deep dives, I'm leaning necro? Or at least, maybe I'll hide out in a necro and wait to see if eles get another pass during EA. Not my first choice by any means, but they seem to have some more genuine variety and a deeper connection to their own lore...

Gozno

Bais

I’m curious if the pact that raises health, AC, and regen will make Necro pets similar enough + the kit vs. vending machine.

I love my little vending machine with a bodyguard. I do, especially with Liminal Step to break aggro. It’s perfect.

But the Necro offers a lot more currently.

Velthorian

Kirrund Little melodramatic for a mere ₂ weeks post rework. Give it some time, there's no way they can leave it in this state forever.

Velthorian

Gozno Ele have traditionally never been as versatile as Necros, mostly relying on simple robustness, and burst damage, the most recent actions of the rework have neutered the burst dps part.

Krooguh

Necro just seems the better pet class tbh. Our individual damage is terrible compared to necro and not nearly as much utility.

I want our instant DDs back with synergy based on the element.

Literally Elementalist is a summon bandages bot, decent sustained dps, and pet aura.

saephellar

Krooguh Necro is literally a better class all around. For example, It's funny how they have both root and fear and aoe fear and eles only have root via their pet so do Necros. Whoever thinks eles are fine and they are balanced don't know what their talking about. This is an incomplete class. Anyways I'm choosing necro cause their rework is amazing and didn't take any aspects from them away and kept the synergy and gameplay and made it more redefined. I forgot to mention, necro pets can also illuminate light now which was one od my concerns going necro but now they have. I envy nothing of ele now and necro is the easy choice,

Krooguh

Give me the ability to swap locations with my pet within 20meter range on a cooldown.

Give me the ability to conjure a wall from the ground for X duration that acts as LoS.

Give me something to do other than bandage or buff my pet every 1.5 minutes.

Tuna

Do elementalists pet really much stronger than BST/NEC? I just trying to find reason keep playing ELE after necro deep dive. Necro DD not only stronger but also heal them, also them have FD, Snare, Root, Fear, Undead charm, IVU, Summon corpse, Unholy Bulwark, big mana regen via LICH, transfer HP, MANA or STR to others, debuffs etc. ELE have DS, but other classes also have and after 40lv its not that great, bandages? Necro can create lifestones as well. Air pet buff a bit other melee DPS but its so minor compare to necro i just give up finding something to keep me playing elementalis 🙁

Krooguh

Tuna the answer is Bandages. That is the Elementalist powah.

Velthorian

I'd err on the side of Elementalist eventually getting fixed, and likely keeping it's role as a prefered group DPS over Necro. While the necro, as always, will maintain a slight edge in solo power. (mostly related to FD/Root) This is usually the way of things. As is now, however, I do find it rather absurd that Necros Life tap hits harder then top level Elementalist DD, that seems very busted, and I'd like to get the Dev's input on the justification for this. I would not expect it to stay that way. I suppose they are adding all cumulative sources of damage, (DS, which is not insignificant, Pet + Bolt + Pet Strike) as some kind of burst metric, but as is, it does not play very well, and feels inadequate. Elementalist are supposed to be balanced against necro with their mid-range burst capability. So that metric is nerfed into the ground now, and it does not quite make sense. I'd expect a proper return to form on balance pass.

Krooguh

End of the day they removed the coolest concept of Instant Spells that apply an effect based on the pet you have out.

Should have been 16 potential effects instead they make it 4 lame effects that are tied to a casted spell and RNG chance.

tummystix

Kirrund I'd like to point out that Rangers got an increase to their damage shield line, so now Druid, Ele, and Ranger have the best damage shields in the game at 35 per hit.

Druid/Rangers damage shield maxes out at 30. So ele's still got best, but still, rangers getting it now too... smh

Kirrund

tummystix Seems like that got changed and some point, I remember it being 35.

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