Soloing after Rework

Ucuri

So it's charm one mob.
Let it get beaten down.
Break Charm.
Charm other Mob
Kill both

Any opinions?

Mesh

Charm until mob low HP, invis and re-charm highest HP mob to finish off low HP mob.

Effectively no change to solo. Only reduced the overtuned DPS charmed mobs were doing in groups.

Maple

The charmed pet does kinda low damage. Did only a couple tests, but that dmg isn't on par to a pet classes pet.

Rougar0u

Mesh Big gaps in the charm levels now between new spells

Unchainedfury

I haven't tested on my 60 yet

Lvl 21 Necro, 77 Charisma, mob 6 levels lower: Charmed Pet did 35% more dmg than summoned on max hit, broke constantly, and wasn't worth maintaining as it took away from dps/cc/healing in the group. Overall dps was lower than 35% with many single digit hits.

We did have a lvl 20 Enchanter in the group with 89 Charisma: his pet broke more frequently and he gave up on it after 30 minutes to summon a regular pet.

Giving pet wpns actually reduced the dmg output and no duel wield/double attack was present. Most likely this is due to lvl of the mob (15/16) not being high enough for the skills.

TLDR: Not worth using at lvl 21. Forcing charmed pet into the only remaining avenue of meaningful exp gain (Charm Stacking) doesn't make sense and is counter-culture to the spell.

WIll update after testing on 60

turtle

Rougar0u

yep. as a 39 enchanter, the highest mobs I can now charm are 35, which are basically light blue. not sure if this was an oversight or intended.. but it basically removes charm from the toolkit for certain level ranges

from 36-39 you can't charm anything worth charming at this point it seems

riverbender

turtle
After the initial CHA threshold changes I had switched out to Enchant Ally+Shadowkin in groups and can't even do that any more. But at least this made somebody somewhere else happy, right?

Mesh

Rougar0u
I've noticed this is a problem for a bunch of spell lines after the recent reworks.

Seems like a few more ranks might be needed to fix the distribution some time in EA.

Maple

I do less damage with my DD spells now.
I can't charm mobs at my level. I'm 24 and charm goes up to 23. Next Charm Spell is at 28.

If that's not a bug they can delete the charm spell completly and give me better nukes as exchange.
Also my Shadowkin Pet at 24 does more damage then a Charmed mob.

Tacky

K I am low lv but this is what I saw and expected. Was in two groups had a chanter in each the chanter noticed the spells were missing got new spells came back and after one pull or to they logged out.
I stated this in OC if they nerf it too much, they will see a vast decline in chanters that are needed epically if the TTK goes up.
When you take away something you should have added something to make up for it in a way.
This will turn into EQ before it is over a lot of players had a dislike that you had to have a chanter in the group for CC just like you needed a tank and healer

Zaroua

Tacky When you take away something you should have added something to make up for it in a way.

Shadow pet got buffed. Also Charm was way overtuned. An Enchanter using only, and only Charm, Magic Break, and their AoE stun was one of the best classes in the game. Then you added the rest of their toolkit into the equation and it made Enchanters gods. They've now been brought down to demi-god status.

For higher level Enchanters: at what level is the shadow pet no longer able to effectively fight mobs? Buffed pet vs debuffed target.

Rougar0u

level 57 Shadow vs 38 Pale guard. Pet buffed . Guard debuff. Pet ended with 20% hp lol

Unchainedfury

Rougar0u

Lvl 60 summoned skellie pet with necro haste/str - died to x2 lvl 34 mobs in Grain Cellar, PRIOR to the dps nerf from max hit 68 down to 56.

Level not being an important part of the equation is the problem, or it's such a minute part of the formula it's completely irrelevant.

I've tested this extensively by taking off all charisma gear (Grrrr get rid of Cha for Necro) and a mob 30 levels lower won't stay charmed past 1 tick.

This also correlates directly into everything else: Dmg Mitigation (stuns by lvl 8 mob on lvl 60 toon), Resists, hit %, etc,...literally everything.

I'd love to see Core Fundamentals cemented, THEN adjust accordingly.

Unchainedfury

Zaroua

Charm Pet DPS wasn't tuned and needed a cut, I agree wholeheartedly. Instead of 2-3x's the amount of dps roles, x1.25-1.50 cut seems more than reasonable.

However, this was not a priority to get done pre-EA as the core-class fundamentals are not cemented. A 50% nerf to overall charm pet DPS would have sufficed and still made the spell relevant while the fundamentals were completed, then fine tune.

Keep in mind:

1) Charm always had a nerfed level cap of 52
2) Charisma nerfs were already implemented over a month ago to make it more difficult
3) Variance in pet-break has always been a very wide margin
4) MR debuff has always been a built-in Nerf due to 5 min duration, even at lvl 60
5) LEVEL not being part of the equation, or so minute it's irrelevant is a huge problem, even prior to these changes, and it will continue to be so unless incorporated

No Fun Police strikes again

Maple

so we get a new charm spell at level 52 at the vendor.
That spell is only good for charming level 52 mobs and not going higher after the rework?
That actually makes no sense.
Why can't we charm up to level 60 now with the charm dmg nerf?

Kirrund

Zaroua Shadow pet got buffed.

Based on what?

Unchainedfury Lvl 60 summoned skellie pet with necro haste/str - died to x2 lvl 34 mobs in Grain Cellar, PRIOR to the dps nerf from max hit 68 down to 56.

Do you have screenshots of the max hits?

foxroar1

Maple

I agree. Charm should work up to level 60 now, or very close to it.

It can't be high risk/low reward. If high reward was too much, fine, make it moderate risk/moderate reward.

Zaroua

Kirrund
Scales based on your level instead of being hot garbage when you were lvl 19 with a 16 pet fighting lvl 22 mobs. Probably could have worded it better, but it's an overall buff during the leveling journey, especially for un-twinked Enchanters who don't have a lot of CHA gear.

Kirrund

Zaroua It did take a nerf in the damage department, though. But yeah I guess overall it helps smooth out the leveling experience.

Drahl

Logged into my enchanter and tried to solo a few blues. Failed miserably. Shadow pet got stomped by some blue gobbies. Tried charming, no luck. Charm broke often and charmed pet missed 80% of the time. Ended up zoning the pull each time.

Biggest issue I saw was my damage spells, if we could really call them that, went down significantly. To test this, i had my friend keep a blue gobbie rooted while i chain cast torment. I Ran out of mana before the blue mob was 25%. The spell costs too much mana for the damage it does. I do not see many people playing this class in this state. You must remember, the average person will NOT be twinked with 150 cha or whatever. The average mid level player is going to have 60-85 cha and int. That is not enough for our damage spells to kill a blue con that is being held in place by someone else before going oom.

The only people I see thriving with this class will be those playing it in pre-made guild groups that have set login schedules. The enchanter thrives in a group but is not able to do well solo or even duoing. That is my perspective. It is enough that I will no longer main a enchanter in EA, as I was previously excited to do.