Monk Deep Dive Discussion!

Metavahn

i use it on mezed mobs sometimes, doesnt break mez

BobWendal

Metavahn only damage breaks mez. I have seen different npcs react differently to it. Some will aggro and some won't.

thedrizzle

How is monk feeling now? Have not played mine since the rework first dropped but all the changes make me want to main it for launch (was low 30s)

For the high level monks:
Curious how the dps feels now?
Pulling feels better > seems like you can split well even in places like FW?
other group benefits? Can tank groups if needed with good gear?

Thanks!

Fubsy

thedrizzle

Dps feels better, not where I think it ends up eventually and would like burst options to be a little better since we are always pulling. It feels like some adjustments were made to the comvat formula and the minimum hit issue a lot of us were feeling looks to have been addressed.

Pulling is really solid now, with the exception the FD fail rate still seems a little high for a 60 and some quirks with LoS FD.

Tanking is decent, avoidance mitigation still feels off. However we can tank in a pinch, I was able to tank a "murder rat" in FW within range of a torch, burning my cooldowns and some great healing. It feels after the AC changes that we really need to rely on avoidance to be effective, when means making some decisions on gearing based around str, dex, and agi.

I'm satisfied wtih what Xilith has done so far and with his vision, especially considering everything on his plate.

Molgar

I would love to see Celestial Vitality heal for moAr, if using a certain stance... allowing a monk to ebb & flow during combat.

And as someone suggested and many theorized, it would be sweet to see these Wind/Sun/Moon Style's Celestial Fury to stack, or weave into a new longer duration effect, etc.. That would certain make a monk able to ebb & flow with group make-up, or mechanics.

Baashem

Fubsy

Chiming in to agree with Fubsy.

Pulling is really fun. We have a great toolkit, and you can still do some pretty amazing things that dramatically increase a groups ability to target named beyond what any other class can. The class does feel more engaging, cohesive, and entertaining though. I am happy with it and going one for EA with the hopes that a Damage balance patch will bring us more inline with where I think the class should be, second tier DPS, but with or slightly above the other hybrid DPS.

DPS certainly feels better than immediately after the rework, but we are still under Shamans.

Tangent, but I think Tier 1 dps should be: Rogue, Spellblade, Archer, Wizard.
Tier 2 should be: Beastmaster, Monk, Elementalist, Necro, Ranger.
Tier 3 should be: Druid, Shaman, Enchanter.
Tier 4 should be: Bard, Cleric and the Tanks.

JankyJux

Baashem Following the roles on the website, Druid, Shaman, Fighter, & Shadow Knight all list DPS, so it would make sense if they're roughly in the same tier. Enchanter does not list DPS.

thedrizzle

Fubsy
Thanks for the response! Curious where our dps sits now relative to the other classes especially with all the reworks + charm changes but sounds like good changes are being made.

Glad FD and pulling feels good as that is one of my favorite parts of monk. Excited to play monk in EA

Also would love to know the communities thoughts on weapons for leveling? Seems like H2H should be solid especially if you can get an early H2H weapon but maces were always good till the 30s with the old H2H (when I did most of my leveling)

Fubsy

thedrizzle

DPS still feels like it needs a few tweaks - refer to @Baashem post above as I feel that's pretty accurate on how things should feel. However Xilith and other devs have pointed out there is still a lot of balancing to do in this regard. So I'll hesistate to weight in on how dps is until the team has had time to tweak and adjust everything to their vision. I do know that Xilith's interactiveness and response with monks was commendable and things feel a lot better now than immediately after the rework.

I don't think Monk should be Tier 1 DPS but do feel like we should have more burst options to contribute when we are in camp as most monks spend a good deal of time pulling and having mobs in camp. If I am pulling, especially if we have compentant CC, I am leaving camp with at least one mob on full health to go fetch more. My goal is to have the other members constantly engaged in combat - so realistically in a full group I only spend 50 to 60% of my time dps'ing.

Very happy with the class right now though and will be playing it in EA as my main.

thunderleg

I can't bring myself to play an ogre. Do we know what the DE racial is?

Raybane

thunderleg The difficulty of playing a Deep Elf have nothing to do with racial ability, it's about being hated across the world. Including their own starting city.

thunderleg

All the same, the question was about the racial. thx

Nideak

thunderleg They are currently redoing traits and it sounds like UV will wind up being the DE racial in the future. We don't really know what their racial is at the moment, I believe

Metavahn

the only thing outside of needing a small dps boost to be on par with spellblades and the like i would just ask for a to-hit modifer to quivering palm like round kick and celestial strike have, its our most important debuff and it misses quite a bit

BobWendal

thedrizzle I would recommend just using H2H to be honest, seems like the wiki is updated on the ratios there, if you are starting on a fresh server you won't be finding steel weapons being sold for awhile to carry you through to 30+. Even the new quest item for DE monk that you can get at 13 is a 2h staff with a lower ratio than your bare fist.

thedrizzle

BobWendal
Sounds good! H2H it is and then hopefully farm some BBs or another fist weapon eventually. Do we still want high AC boots for kick dmg? or did that change? I know kicks scale with dex now but curious if its dex + AC or just dex so boots are less important

Fubsy

thedrizzle

AC doesn't affect kick damage - just your dex now.

Unchainedfury

Fubsy do feel like we should have more burst options to contribute when we are in camp as most monks spend a good deal of time pulling and having mobs in camp.

What about a Ranged Knife throw burst attack when coming into camp with more mobs? /assist / pop CD on the move into melee ranged, 3-4s burst dmg, CD of 2 mins ish?

millsydoo

I'm a firm believer that monks should wear cloth instead of leather with an AC that scales with level the same way H2H scales. We have monks in real life that poke holes in trees with their fingers. Monk in D&D are unarmored and get a bonus to their AC based on their WIS and DEX scores. A gi is made of cloth, not leather! Am I alone on this?

Ralz

millsydoo I'm with you! I'd go a step further and suggest monks should also be required to not have certain armor pieces: gloves, helm, boots, heck even weapons, don't make a lot of sense for the martial artist aesthetic

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